Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 09:20:35 AMMatt,
I am confused. The expectation for the Eagles (and this seemed to be a strong consensus) was that they would be returning to the Super Bowl. How does putting up 11 wins (and making the playoffs) while suffering an embarrassing end-of-season loss to the Giants and immediately getting booted from the playoffs in a butt-kicking by the Bucs suggest the Eagles met expectations?
Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 09:15:46 AMThis comment sort of reflects the issue with discussing Jones. Uncle Mickey had "showed flashes of brilliance" as a part of an argument. The Jones critics focused on that part of the argument and first claimed Jones never showed brilliance. Then, when you show historic accomplishments that any reasonable person would say was a flash of brilliance, the goalposts were moved, and it was claimed failed QBs had shown flashes of brilliance (not sure what that even means in context to UM's original point). Finally, we have an entire point Uncle Mickey made thrown out, and it's declared the point that Jones has shown flashes of brilliance is now the entire argument, and clearly, that argument is a "bad one."
How can there be quality conversation in conditions like that?
Quote from: AYM on Today at 09:23:41 AMThey replaced Dan Quinn with Mike Zimmer who is probably just as good a DC.
Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 08:54:51 AM@DaveBrown74 and @kingm56
Remember last year when everyone ignored the Eagles' losing both their OC and DC and predicted a repeated trip to the Super Bowl? The Cowboys lost their very talented DC this past offseason (along with a number of veteran starters). Those sorts of losses tend to go under the radar but are often the most impactful.
Quote from: nb587 on May 03, 2024, 04:48:41 PMBingo. It's scary what the Giants would have been like if George Young never came. And, Wellington would never have hired him if he wasn't forced to.
Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 09:07:19 AMYet, they still won 11 games and made the playoffs. This place went crazy when we won 9 games; so, I don't see 11 wins as a failure, despite how they finished.
If OC/DC were the primary issue, they would have struggled out the gate as players were learning the new systems; however, the reverse happened. Even good teams go through spells; it happens all the time. Regardless, I suspect they'll win double-digit games again this season, but will wait until Aug to make any real predictions.
Quote from: Trench on Today at 09:10:22 AMEvery QB has had flashes of brilliance. That is not a good argument
Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 09:05:11 AMBut that's what happens when Qbs go to a bad team, they either rise above it or they don't. I don't hear anyone going to bat for Evan Neal or any other offensive player that have equally been failed by being on a team with Daniel Jones, but it's ok for them to all be used as an excuse for him. A 6th year player who still puts up advanced stats like a backup in year 6. Just wild that some can't see Jones is a huge reason for the bad offense.
Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 07:22:43 AMI'll grant you that point; however, that's not the point being discussed here. The point was made that high-performing Oline(s) were the most critical component to Eli's and Brady's success, during thier primes. Clearly, that statement is factually false.Great stuff as usual king 👊
BTW, Eli was fairly consistent between 2008 and 15, regardless of his oline rankings:
2008* 27 NYG QB 16 289 479 60.3 3238 21 10 86.4 66.9 PB
2009 28 NYG QB 16 317 509 62.3 4021 27 14 93.1 71.7
2010 29 NYG QB 16 339 539 62.9 4002 31 25 85.3 57.7
2011* 30 NYG QB 16 359 589 61 4933 29 16 92.9 64.2 AP CPoY-6, PB
2012* 31 NYG QB 16 321 536 59.9 3948 26 15 87.2 67 PB
2013 32 NYG QB 16 317 551 57.5 3818 18 27 69.4 38.6
2014 33 NYG QB 16 379 601 63.1 4410 30 14 92.1 61
2015* 34 NYG QB 16 387 618 62.6 4432 35 14 93.6 57.9 PB
Age clearly caught up with him during the 2016+ seasons...