Big Blue Huddle

Check this out and by the way this was a post that @MightyGiants liked encouraging shots at people who are critical of Jones as "lacking common sense".  What does it say to posters when he likes a post like that being in his position?  It says he supports those who take personal shots at Jones critics.

Quote from: DragonSoul on October 06, 2023, 01:34:03 PMNice job with the common sense. Most seem to be lacking. Get hit 30 times a game, you get shell shocked like David Carr did in Houston. Then ur internal clock is sped way up and you trust nothing. Which in turn makes you miss potential opportunities. Or you can stay in the pocket get drilled, then injured or a concussion as another option.

The line will finally be fixed when we we have no QB who can play that position well. There will be an oline but no real qb. Now we have a QB & when we had Eli & no oline.

T200,

What do you call the Jones consistent bashers who claim posters thst Jones needs "elite" talent in order for him to be successful - when not one poster has ever made this claim?

I know at least 4 posters who made this claim directly at me. That's why I am using the ignore posters.

These posters are the exact definition of posting "intellectually dishonesty".

Quote from: T200 on October 10, 2023, 11:32:24 AMI don't know if you've read the entire thread but MightyGiants posted what he found on Google that constituted "bashing": it said "severe criticism." So now that I had that definition from him, my responses focused on the "bashing/severe criticism."

Now you're saying beating a dead horse is also bashing. Fine.

There is a difference. The bashing/severe criticism of Jones is not what it's made out to be. The constant, incessant criticism in every single thread does not constitute bashing, from where I sit.

Tim,

Why wouldn't severe describe both quantity and quality?

Quote from: JT39 on October 10, 2023, 11:36:11 AMT200,

What do you call the Jones consistent bashers who claim posters thst Jones needs "elite" talent in order for him to be successful - when not one poster has ever made this claim?

I know at least 4 posters who made this claim directly at me. That's why I am using the ignore posters.

These posters are the exact definition of posting "intellectually dishonesty".

The same thing you would say to those who have labeled those who have said Jones is an average QB as being haters and saying he is bad QB.  The same thing you would say to those who have been critical of Jones as being labeled as people who are giving the offensive line a pass.

Let's not act like this is just going in one direction.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 10, 2023, 11:26:29 AMCheck this out

https://giantsfans.net/message_board/index.php?msg=916067

What is it that you want me to see?

Look - I get it. Rambo has a few canned statements about Jones that he copies and pastes in just about every thread. You know it's coming, just like Jones checking down instead of hitting an open receiver. It is what it is.

As has already been pointed out: 1) he's not bashing Jones. If anything, we're taking more abuse having to read the same thing in every thread. But saying he's severely criticizing our QB is not correct. He's just stuck on repeating it. 2) He can be blocked.

Quote from: T200 on October 10, 2023, 11:38:31 AMWhat is it that you want me to see?

Look - I get it. Rambo has a few canned statements about Jones that he copies and pastes in just about every thread. You know it's coming, just like Jones checking down instead of hitting an open receiver. It is what it is.

As has already been pointed out: 1) he's not bashing Jones. If anything, we're taking more abuse having to read the same thing in every thread. But saying he's severely criticizing our QB is not correct. He's just stuck on repeating it. 2) He can be blocked.

It's more than just him...

Quote from: JT39 on October 10, 2023, 11:36:11 AMT200,

What do you call the Jones consistent bashers who claim posters thst Jones needs "elite" talent in order for him to be successful - when not one poster has ever made this claim?

I know at least 4 posters who made this claim directly at me. That's why I am using the ignore posters.

These posters are the exact definition of posting "intellectually dishonesty".

First, I don't call them bashers. Here's what I consider a basher: someone who just trashes Jones for no reason and sees no good in him. I don't think we have any one on this site that feels that way.

What's the difference in saying Jones needs a true #1 receiver versus Jones needs elite talent around him?

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 10, 2023, 11:36:21 AMTim,

Why wouldn't severe describe both quantity and quality?

Was that your initial intent? Both quantity and quality?

Quote from: T200 on October 10, 2023, 11:38:31 AMWhat is it that you want me to see?

Look - I get it. Rambo has a few canned statements about Jones that he copies and pastes in just about every thread. You know it's coming, just like Jones checking down instead of hitting an open receiver. It is what it is.

As has already been pointed out: 1) he's not bashing Jones. If anything, we're taking more abuse having to read the same thing in every thread. But saying he's severely criticizing our QB is not correct. He's just stuck on repeating it. 2) He can be blocked.

I own my mistakes on here. I tried to clarify to Rich earlier (which he ignored) that my PFF thread post from yesterday was not intended to be a shot at him personally.  You're right that I am a big boy that can own mistakes admit wrong doing and acknowledge at times I'm repetitive.

What I can't stand are the individuals who refuse to acknowledge their own wrong doing and how similar their tactics are.  They make themselves out to be victims when they are no different than most of us here.

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 10, 2023, 11:47:19 AMI own my mistakes on here. I tried to clarify to Rich earlier (which he ignored) that my PFF thread post from yesterday was not intended to be a shot at him personally.  You're right that I am a big boy that can own mistakes admit wrong doing and acknowledge at times I'm repetitive.

What I can't stand are the individuals who refuse to acknowledge their own wrong doing and how similar their tactics are.  They make themselves out to be victims when they are no different than most of us here.

Admittedly, you've owned your sh*t. Now please... DO BETTER!

But that is for all of us, not just you.

The irony in all of this is that you've become the lightning rod of all that is wrong with the BBH. Kinda like our own Daniel Jones. Go figure.

Quote from: T200 on October 10, 2023, 11:44:50 AMWas that your initial intent? Both quantity and quality?

To be frank, I hadn't really thought about it.  Having thought about it, I absolutely would say that quantity creates severity.  It's like I am at work, and someone comments that they think my shoes are not very flattering.  I wouldn't consider it a severe criticism of my wardrobe choice.  However, if every time I saw that person, they commented about how unattractive my shows were, I would feel that the criticism was severe.  Quantity can be its own quality.  So having considered the issue in more detail, yes, I think the quantity created the "bashing" impression for me.

Quote from: T200 on October 10, 2023, 11:50:56 AMAdmittedly, you've owned your sh*t. Now please... DO BETTER!

But that is for all of us, not just you.

The irony in all of this is that you've become the lightning rod of all that is wrong with the BBH. Kinda like our own Daniel Jones. Go figure.

Rambo Dimes? 

What I will never understand from some is the hyper obsession with Daniel Jones when overall the team absolutely stinks and is lacking in all areas.  Is this the New York Giants or the New York Daniel Jones?  This all needs to be rebuilt with a solid foundation on offense and defense.  Until that's done the Giants will never have long term success.  I don't see how one can watch this franchise stink up every Sunday slate and still have the main concern always be Daniel Jones.  Whether it's positive or negative.     

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 10, 2023, 11:53:57 AMTo be frank, I hadn't really thought about it.  Having thought about it, I absolutely would say that quantity creates severity.  It's like I am at work, and someone comments that they think my shoes are not very flattering.  I wouldn't consider it a severe criticism of my wardrobe choice.  However, if every time I saw that person, they commented about how unattractive my shows were, I would feel that the criticism was severe.  Quantity can be its own quality.  So having considered the issue in more detail, yes, I think the quantity created the "bashing" impression for me.

Fair enough.

Question: The offense continues to struggle. Jones continues to be ineffective. The defense continues to miss tackles and give up chunks of yardage and big plays. Same thing they've done through five weeks. It's week 10. Do we not comment on what we see? If we do, through 10 weeks of abysmal football, would that not be considered "bashing" and "severe criticism"?

Quote from: Messiah717 on October 10, 2023, 11:58:08 AMWhat I will never understand from some is the hyper obsession with Daniel Jones when overall the team absolutely stinks and is lacking in all areas.  Is this the New York Giants or the New York Daniel Jones?  This all needs to be rebuilt with a solid foundation on offense and defense.  Until that's done the Giants will never have long term success.  I don't see how one can watch this franchise stink up every Sunday slate and still have the main concern always be Daniel Jones.  Whether it's positive or negative.     

It's a QB-driven league. It's how the league wants it. They even altered the rules to favor the passing game to prop the QBs up even more. They are generally the highest-paid player on their respective team. The team goes as the QB goes, generally speaking. Consistently successful teams are that way because of their QB. It comes with the territory.