Schoen defended his no QB draft and mentioned "Tommy"

[AZGiantFan]

There is nothing to resolve if you agree that players are more important than coaches overall. That's all I am saying. If you think coaches are more important than players, or even that the two are equal, then
we can mutually respectfully agree to disagree.

If coaches don't count more than players that list Mighty posted of pff grades for all our olinemen would seem to negate all the optimism being expressed about how the Giants should have an average Oline.  OTOH, a bad Oline coach like Johnson can certainly have a negative effect.

[Uncle Mickey]

The NFL is a for profit business. It's all about maxing out profits. That is not the case with education and teachers. So I respectfully disagree with this comparison.

To Mighty's point some think finding a special talent at a position like QB is harder than finding a 'good enough' coach to coach him.

So I think there is some truth in what everyone is asserting here.

[AZGiantFan]

The NFL is a for profit business. It's all about maxing out profits. That is not the case with education and teachers. So I respectfully disagree with this comparison.

There is a big difference between winning and maxing out profits in the NFL.

[TONKA56]

I guess this isn't a Tommy Devito thread any longer. 

[MightyGiants]

To Mighty's point some think finding a special talent at a position like QB is harder than finding a 'good enough' coach to coach him.

So I think there is some truth in what everyone is asserting here.

From what I have seen, the Giants have struggled just as much to find a proper replacement for Tom Coughlin as they have trying to replace Eli Manning (perhaps even more so)

[BluesCruz]

100s of QB have played against bad teams, and never had they done what DJ did.   Look, in the end, you and @kingm56 and the other critics of Jones could ultimately be proven correct in that he will never be a quality starting quarterback.  In fact, with every season that they screw the young man up, it's looking more and more that DJ is never going to succeed.

That said, I would appreciate it if we try to be fair.  There have been flashes of brilliance by Jones; that is something most reasonable people would agree.   Flashes of brilliance don't mean Jones will ultimately be successful, so why not just concede the more than fair point?   It's like the other claim I hear from some of the critics, claiming the Giants have no one to throw them the ball.  As Jordan Raanan says, that's silly.  Jones has his flaws, but he is also an NFL thrower.  It's not like Jones is some little leaguer trying to play in the majors.

I don't think it hurts your case to concede the positives of the man.  If anything, it gives your opinions more validity because it shows you are capable of seeing and acknowledging the good and the bad.  If someone is only willing to see what supports their beliefs and finds excuses to dismiss anything else,  I tend not to value those opinions very highly as they are formed with a flawed process.

So we don't have to agree, but we all should find common ground in acknowledging the good and the bad.

that's just the point
He flashes brilliance but is not a reliable week to week performer
he lacks the subtle abilities that make for a solid franchise QB
can't make the throws downfield outside the numbers
can't sense the rush
can't often find the open target
hesitates with his release

much like Sequon flashed brilliance and spent the rest of the day dancing

[DaveBrown74]

that's just the point
He flashes brilliance but is not a reliable week to week performer
he lacks the subtle abilities that make for a solid franchise QB
can't make the throws downfield outside the numbers
can't sense the rush
can't often find the open target
hesitates with his release

much like Sequon flashed brilliance and spent the rest of the day dancing

Saquon has consistently produced at a high level when healthy. Jones has not.