I think a lot of Giants fans are thinking this game is a given. Geno Smith is a good QB and he has two lethal weapons. They are 4th in the league in scoring so far. Walker has been productive and will likely get his hundred yards while Charbonnet is lurking in the wings. And look who's leading the team in tackles.
Seattle destroyed us last year and we've had 2 quarters out of 12 of competitive play. This game will be another tough one IMO.
Explain to me why Schoen didn't pay Love.
I don't think this game is a gimme at all. I think it's a must-win, but I don't think it's a gimme by any means. Seattle is loaded with weapons and our D has been utterly woeful. There may be some Giants fans who think it will be easy but clearly the broad betting community disagrees, as we're only a 1.5 point favorite (ie a 1.5 point neutral field underdog).
Quote from: Ed Vette on September 26, 2023, 12:26:43 PMExplain to me why Schoen didn't pay Love.
He thought he'd be paying McKinney as a top safety and couldn't keep both. In retrospect we should've signed Love and let McKinney go, but who saw his level of play decline like it has so far?
Quote from: AYM on September 26, 2023, 12:28:42 PMHe thought he'd be paying McKinney as a top safety and couldn't keep both. In retrospect we should've signed Love and let McKinney go, but who saw his level of play decline like it has so far?
Not only his play but his effort level and attitude too. I'd say he's at a point where he's literally only a notch or two above Toney on those fronts.
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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 26, 2023, 12:27:08 PMI don't think this game is a gimme at all. I think it's a must-win, but I don't think it's a gimme by any means. Seattle is loaded with weapons and are D has been utterly woeful. There may be some Giants fans who think it will be easy but clearly the broad betting community disagrees, as we're only a 1.5 point favorite (ie a 1.5 point neutral field underdog).
If the Giants want to be competitive and play meaningful games in December they have to win this game. This isn't an easy game but it's a more winnable game than Miami, Buffalo, in Dallas or either of the Eagle games.
I don't see how anyone can expect this game to be easy. They beat our ass last year, Richie James gone helps, but they are still a talented team.
As tough as it is, they do need the win. They likely are not beating Buffalo and Miami. This game will show us what 2023 Giants are made of.
Quote from: Ed Vette on September 26, 2023, 12:26:43 PMExplain to me why Schoen didn't pay Love.
Love was average at best last year. Plus he hasn't been good this year according to most Seahawks fans.
The Seahawks are 10+ points maybe even 3 scores better than us. Until this defense can prove it can stop someone consistently and the OL can prove is can be even adequate - we shouldn't be favored in any game.
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This is the game to let DJ loose and take chances downfield. Hyatt could have a huge game.
Quote from: Ed Vette on September 26, 2023, 12:39:49 PMThis is the game to let DJ loose and take chances downfield. Hyatt could have a huge game.
The O-line should be healthy, and Seattle doesn't appear to have a serious pass-rushing threat. So this should be a good game for the Giants offense to get right.
Quote from: Rambo89 on September 26, 2023, 12:32:43 PMIf the Giants want to be competitive and play meaningful games in December they have to win this game. This isn't an easy game but it's a more winnable game than Miami, Buffalo, in Dallas or either of the Eagle games.
For sure. Just realize that even with a win in this game, we'll need a major, shocking, road upset against either Miami or Buffalo to avoid being 2-4 after six weeks. And again that's if we indeed beat Seattle, who have won two straight and have pro bowl caliber talent all over their offense.
Seattle's D stinks though. Big opportunity for Jones and our offense to reassert themselves after a tough first 10 out of 12 quarters.
"Every team's better with Charbonnet on it." Or is it "Everything's better with Blue Bonnet on it."
Those numbers Rich posted are ugly. When the best ranking the Giants have is 18th passing yards against it shows how this isn't just a one side of the ball problem. Giants have been bad in just about every aspect of the game the first 3 games of the season.
No pushover. But a team ore in our weight class. Dallas and San Francisco are just above where we are now. This should be a close game. They are very similar to us.
Quite frankly these guys kicked the Giants rear end last year. Couldn't block them. They stuffed Jones/Barkley and easily took away the pass.
We better have a counterpunch ready, because I'll bet Pete Carroll's feeling pretty good about this game. If that royal a$$-whipping occurs again up front, same result. I'll be watching from my couch, with the season on the line.
One thing in the NYG's favor is this game will be played at home, whereas last year it was out in Seattle, traditionally a difficult stadium for visitors to play in.
I hope it's a win as I really hate the Seahawks.
I liked Love but looking at that PPF depth chart it doesn't appear that he is even a starter with Seattle.
I watched much of the Seattle game this week. Love is definitely starting for them so far. Maybe that changes as Adams comes back. Another thing PFF is wrong about.
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on September 26, 2023, 02:47:45 PMI watched much of the Seattle game this week. Love is definitely starting for them so far. Maybe that changes as Adams comes back. Another thing PFF is wrong about.
Did PFF get it wrong?
Seahawks' Jamal Adams Set For Long-Awaited Return: 'He is So Ready!'
After missing more than an entire calendar year with injury, Seattle Seahawks safety Jamal Adams will make his grand return in Week 4 against the New York Giants.https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/seattle-seahawks-jamal-adams-injury-update-return-week-4-new-york-giants
He's going to return. Not start. And they are very different type of players. Adams is more of a linebacker type who will play close to the line of scrimmage. So yeah. They are wrong.
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on September 26, 2023, 02:54:53 PMHe's going to return. Not start. And they are very different type of players. Adams is more of a linebacker type who will play close to the line of scrimmage. So yeah. They are wrong.
I tried to confirm if Adams was starting or not. This was the best I could find
Adams has always been an every-down player in Seattle so his return to the lineup could mean demoting Julian Love, who has played all of the team's meaningful defensive snaps through three weeks. Love, a fourth-round pick of the Giants in 2019, was acquired by Seattle via free agency on a two-year, $12 million deal with the thought he could play beside Adams, but it's unclear how those two will be deployed against Love's former team. — Dugar
https://theathletic.com/4898603/2023/09/25/seahawks-jamal-adams-injury-giants/
They may swing Love out to Corner when Adams comes back.
Quote from: Ed Vette on September 26, 2023, 12:24:40 PMI think a lot of Giants fans are thinking this game is a given. Geno Smith is a good QB and he has two lethal weapons. They are 4th in the league in scoring so far. Walker has been productive and will likely get his hundred yards while Charbonnet is lurking in the wings. And look who's leading the team in tackles.
Ed - to your point, they completely rebuilt their secondary and hit on both an early and very late draft pick to make their CBs lethal.
Quote from: Ed Vette on September 26, 2023, 12:26:43 PMExplain to me why Schoen didn't pay Love.
Love and Bradberry... 2 guys who he should have kept in the secondary.
I felt that way at the time, but easy saying it in hindsight.
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This is the week to replicate the second half of the Cards game.
2-2 through after 4 is more than palatable after playing Dallas and the Niners.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on September 26, 2023, 08:10:04 PMThis is the week to replicate the second half of the Cards game.
2-2 through after 4 is more than palatable after playing Dallas and the Niners.
Plus, the next two games are away games (one on a short week) against the Dolphins and the Bills. It will be an accomplishment if they can get one win out of the two.
Quote from: MightyGiants on September 26, 2023, 08:23:24 PMPlus, the next two games are away games (one on a short week) against the Dolphins and the Bills. It will be an accomplishment if they can get one win out of the two.
Yup, next two weeks are horrible. That's for sure.
I wouldn't call their corners lethal. This is a team that has been easy to score on so far.
Quote from: Ed Vette on September 26, 2023, 12:26:43 PMExplain to me why Schoen didn't pay Love.
I think the Giants believe they have 2 young S's in Belton and Pinnock that they are high on. IMO, it may have been a matter of $ and they had to make cuts.
Quote from: MightyGiants on September 26, 2023, 08:23:24 PMPlus, the next two games are away games (one on a short week) against the Dolphins and the Bills. It will be an accomplishment if they can get one win out of the two.
I'm not expecting them to win either game. It's why winning this week is so important IMO.
Quote from: Rambo89 on September 27, 2023, 06:03:59 AMI'm not expecting them to win either game. It's why winning this week is so important IMO.
I'm not even focused a tiny bit on Buffalo and Miami, and I really hope the team isn't either. Going back to the title of this thread, Seattle is not going to be an easy game for us. Our defense is flat out bad, and this is a high scoring offense. This is the sort of game where turnovers could be the difference, and we never seem to get turnovers.
I wouldn't say I'm "worried" about this game but I'm not brimming with confidence either. My hope is the extra 4 days will be a big help, and also the fact that Seattle has won two straight and may not be feeling quite the same urgency that we are right now could also help.
I think it's fair to say that if we lose this game the season is likely over as far as the playoffs goes. Sure, I get that it won't be completely over, but 1-3 with the remaining schedule we have is not a good situation. Heck, 2-2 with that remaining schedule isn't great either. But as stated above, we can't worry about that right now. Just stay focused on Monday night.
Quote from: Rambo89 on September 27, 2023, 06:03:59 AMI'm not expecting them to win either game. It's why winning this week is so important IMO.
No doubt, winning either game will not be easy. The team will have to play like they did in the second half of the Cards game, to have a chance.
It's just not a good opponent for the Giants to have a must win against. SEA has dominated the Giants in the trenches for years and Pete Carroll really seems to have our number.
And, of course, we're experiencing the realities of this oddly difficult (flat out weird) schedule.
*2 west coast road trips, back to back.
*A MNF game following a Thursday game. (Better to have that extra rest day after a Sunday game.)
*Long road trip to Miami after a Monday night game.
On top of playing really good teams, logistically, it's a mess.
Jones should have a field day against that D.
Quote from: katkavage on September 27, 2023, 11:44:22 AMJones should have a field day against that D.
Agree, although I bet Seattle fans are saying the same thing about our miserable D.
Quote from: katkavage on September 27, 2023, 11:44:22 AMJones should have a field day against that D.
You would hope that they have a productive passing offense against Seattle given how Seattle has played against the pass in the first three weeks.
Seattle hasn't changed much about their D style of play. Front 4 like to get up field, play a lot if zone behind it.
If the OL blocks the pass rush well then it should allow for good movement on offense. If their DL is better than the Giants OL, it could get ugly.
This is a MUST win. And a MUST big game for Jones since his record on National TV has been abysmal.
They should score against Seattle but the question is how many points Seattle puts up.