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I don't personally want the Giants to rattle off meaningless wins now as I really want the best possible QB prospect we can get, but it's weird to me that nobody in the league wants Carson Wentz. I totally get that he was a huge disappointment relative to expectations and has had some injury issues, but no way he's worse than some of these names drifting around like DeVito and Eason. I mean Wentz had an 80 rating last year and a 94 rating the year before, and he's 30. Weird that he's not at least a backup somewhere. His career numbers are better than both Jones' and Taylor's.
Is there some unmanageable personality flaw I don't know about? It just seems weird that this guy is not on a 53 anywhere.
I too am surprised by the lack of interest in Wentz. I thought they'd kick the tires on him to at least attempt to put a functioning offense on the field.
Has anyone brought him in for a visit? It's not like there's not been a raft of vacancies in QB rooms this season. I mean he's what, six years away from a near MVP season?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 07, 2023, 12:28:34 PMI don't personally want the Giants to rattle off meaningless wins now as I really want the best possible QB prospect we can get, but it's weird to me that nobody in the league wants Carson Wentz. I totally get that he was a huge disappointment relative to expectations and has had some injury issues, but no way he's worse than some of these names drifting around like DeVito and Eason. I mean Wentz had an 80 rating last year and a 94 rating the year before, and he's 30. Weird that he's not at least a backup somewhere. His career numbers are better than both Jones' and Taylor's.
Is there some unmanageable personality flaw I don't know about? It just seems weird that this guy is not on a 53 anywhere.
How much does he think he's worth?
That to me would be why he's not on a team.
Quote from: RelaxTension on November 07, 2023, 12:32:49 PMHow much does he think he's worth?
That to me would be why he's not on a team.
True. But neither the Jets or
giants brought him in for a visit. Surely the assessment of his ability to play will come before any $$ discussion.
Wentz is an example of how you treat people mattering. He's well known to be an ass. No one one wants a marginal player who is a terrible person.
The point about Wentz is pretty interesting when you consider who the backups were in week 1 of the season. Devito was the Giants 3rd stringer but there are a couple teams that had rookie late round or UDFAs as their 2nd string.
Who's the backup QB for the next game?
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on November 07, 2023, 12:34:03 PMTrue. But neither the Jets or
giants brought him in for a visit. Surely the assessment of his ability to play will come before any $$ discussion.
I'm not sure how any of that goes down.
I did think the Giants and Pugh had a number when they added him to the PS in case they elevate him to the roster.
Quote from: RelaxTension on November 07, 2023, 12:32:49 PMHow much does he think he's worth?
That to me would be why he's not on a team.
No idea although at some point something is clearly better than nothing. If you're sitting around waiting to get signed and the phone isn't ringing at some point, even someone who is pretty delusional, you'll lower the asking price.
I suspect it's more because he has an objectionable personality (which I don't know for sure but I know there are rumors of that) than anything else.
He wouldn't be the first guy in the league who is a XXXXX, but I guess with QBs the standard is higher given the leadership nature of the position.
I they sign Wentz for the remainder of this year, do you think he will want at least a 2 year contract with a salary commensurate to what TT was getting? Then what happens? If he plays well and the Giants win a few games which drops them out of range for their preferred QB, it becomes a QB controversy against Jones. If he doesn't play well they are stuck with him and Tommy or another young arm does not get developed.
Not bringing in a decent Veteran QB is a sign to me that they are drafting a QB and possibly grooming Danny as a future backup.
Quote from: Ed Vette on November 07, 2023, 01:25:35 PMI they sign Wentz for the remainder of this year, do you think he will want at least a 2 year contract with a salary commensurate to what TT was getting? Then what happens? If he plays well and the Giants win a few games which drops them out of range for their preferred QB, it becomes a QB controversy against Jones. If he doesn't play well they are stuck with him and Tommy or another young arm does not get developed.
Not bringing in a decent Veteran QB is a sign to me that they are drafting a QB and possibly grooming Danny as a future backup.
Agreed. I'm glad Mara isn't freaking out about wanting to save face with these meaningless games.
I guess I'm just surprised in general that Wentz is not on a 53 man roster anywhere (not just us).
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 07, 2023, 01:39:26 PMAgreed. I'm glad Mara isn't freaking out about wanting to save face with these meaningless games.
I guess I'm just surprised in general that Wentz is not on a 53-man roster anywhere (not just us).
If I were him, I would not play the rest of this year. It's tough to be a walk-on even with his experience and he takes a chance of looking bad. It's not like it's a trade where he was involved and playing. Take the year off and come back with a fresh perspective.
Why not tank with Tommy?
Quote from: afan56 on November 07, 2023, 01:59:43 PMWhy not tank with Tommy?
They're looking for a PS player in case of another injury.
Quote from: Ed Vette on November 07, 2023, 02:05:35 PMThey're looking for a PS player in case of another injury.
Ed: Did I miss something? I can't determine who the backup QB will be for DeVito in the next game. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on November 07, 2023, 02:31:49 PMEd: Did I miss something? I can't determine who the backup QB will be for DeVito in the next game. Bob
Matt Barkley.
Bryce Perkins again
Why not bring in Colt McCoy??? ~X(
And there you have it. Rams sign Wentz. So much for nobody wanting him.
Rams just signed Wentz
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Wentz would have been a disastrous fit with the Giants. Not only is he an ass, but he sulked like a baby when he was benched. He holds on to the ball WAY too long, which makes him totally dependent on his O-line and WR's, neither of which are Big Blue's strong suits. Not to mention, Giants' fans would have turned on him in short order. Because he IS an ass.
The Rams have more weapons, so maybe he'll be of some use to them. But I doubt it.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 07, 2023, 01:39:26 PMAgreed. I'm glad Mara isn't freaking out about wanting to save face with these meaningless games.
Yet. He's not wanting to save face, yet.
The Giants will not sign a QB that could potentially make Dan Jones look even worse at football than Dan Jones does currently.
Our QB play must have you pining for the glory days of ... *checks notes* ... the 0 touchdowns, 140 passing yards/game & losing by double digits Dan Jones barnburner era.
Otherwise, ownership would effectively be admitting what a negligent idea it was to pay him $40 mil annually.
Admitting their mistake? Not this ownership group. No, sir.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 07, 2023, 12:28:34 PMI don't personally want the Giants to rattle off meaningless wins now as I really want the best possible QB prospect we can get, but it's weird to me that nobody in the league wants Carson Wentz. I totally get that he was a huge disappointment relative to expectations and has had some injury issues, but no way he's worse than some of these names drifting around like DeVito and Eason. I mean Wentz had an 80 rating last year and a 94 rating the year before, and he's 30. Weird that he's not at least a backup somewhere. His career numbers are better than both Jones' and Taylor's.
Is there some unmanageable personality flaw I don't know about? It just seems weird that this guy is not on a 53 anywhere.
For whatever it's worth, as I understand, Carson is very religious.
A polarizing characteristic in the most normal of times.
In 2023 ... maybe that's the deal breaker.
Full disclosure; I hope it isn't.
Quote from: NY47GIANTS on November 07, 2023, 05:50:44 PMFor whatever it's worth, as I understand, Carson is very religious.
A polarizing characteristic in the most normal of times.
In 2023 ... maybe that's the deal breaker.
Full disclosure; I hope it isn't.
There are groups of players who say prayers together before and after every game. Being religious is not polarizing at all. It's more the norm in the NFL than the opposite.
There have been and are plenty of religious players on the NFL. This has zero to do with Wentz's playing status.
Jason Eason?
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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 07, 2023, 01:39:26 PMAgreed. I'm glad Mara isn't freaking out about wanting to save face with these meaningless games.
I guess I'm just surprised in general that Wentz is not on a 53 man roster anywhere (not just us).
At least not publicly.
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I'm starting to think Mara may have privately given his blessing to not go quite all-out for wins for the remainder of the season.
I still think it was a big miss to not move more vets out that we won't be signing in the offseason.
Quote from: Ed Vette on November 07, 2023, 02:52:02 PMMatt Barkley.
Ed: Forgot that Rich posted that a few days ago. Great. /sarcasm/ Bob
I get passing on Wentz but I don't understand why Colt McCoy was not considered. He was teammates with Thomas, Shepard, Slayton and Barkley and actually won a game as a Giants starting QB.
Laughable to suggest that Wentz wouldn't be signed because he is religious. The Mara's are religious!
Also laughable to suggest that Mara doesn't want a QB that will make Jones look bad.