The Saturday night contest between the Miami Dolphins and Kansas City Chiefs will only be on Peacock, unless the viewer lives in the local television markets of the respective teams (the game will air free). For everyone else across the country, a Peacock subscription plans start at $5.99 per month.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/why-is-dolphins-chiefs-playoff-game-exclusively-on-peacock-explaining-why-the-league-went-exclusive-to-streaming/#:~:text=The%20Saturday%20night%20contest%20between,start%20at%20%245.99%20per%20month.
I'm not a Taylor Swift fan anyway, so there.... =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =))
Roger always talks about "growing the game" worldwide. How about here? There are less viewers watching on Peacock than without it. Hmmm. Seems like their growing the NFL coiffures instead with that deal. :o .
Quote from: spiderblue43 on January 12, 2024, 04:31:50 PMRoger always talks about "growing the game" worldwide. How about here? There are less viewers watching on Peacock than without it. Hmmm. Seems like their growing the NFL coiffures instead with that deal. :o .
The article listed 110 million reasons.
They have a 50% off deal going right now
Quote from: spiderblue43 on January 12, 2024, 04:31:50 PMRoger always talks about "growing the game" worldwide. How about here? There are less viewers watching on Peacock than without it. Hmmm. Seems like their growing the NFL coiffures instead with that deal. :o .
I think this is what you call killing the golden goose. Greed for short-term gain while sacrificing long term growth and stability.
Screw them!! I'd just as soon watch reruns of Joanie Loves Chachi than subscribe to a streaming service, in what amounts to PPV, just to watch a game that I don't even care who wins.
Until this changes they will test every revenue stream. pun unintended
I have peacock because there was an offer of $20 a year and I like watching the Premier league. I think I read that Oppenheimer will be on peacock. But, if I didnt have the station, I would not buy it for an NFl playoff game. They should not be able to get away with it. If they do, I can see the Super Bowl on pay for view for major bucks
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 12, 2024, 06:12:33 PMThey have a 50% off deal going right now
Interesting.
So if I'm understanding correctly, I can join for $5.99 a month, get 50% off that, and then cancel it after this game (or after one month). So I'll be paying $3 to watch this game basically.
I have two issues with this:
(1) The principle of it
(2) The hassle factor and dealing with all this crap when I just want to flip on the TV and watch a game.
I'm going to have to think about this, but I'm strongly leaning towards not doing it. I find the whole thing irritating and petty. I realize the trend is moving in the direction of cord-cutting and just going completely to streaming, but we're not completely there yet, and the NFL fanbase certainly isn't. I think it's lame.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 13, 2024, 06:01:34 AMInteresting.
So if I'm understanding correctly, I can join for $5.99 a month, get 50% off that, and then cancel it after this game (or after one month). So I'll be paying $3 to watch this game basically.
I have two issues with this:
(1) The principle of it
(2) The hassle factor and dealing with all this crap when I just want to flip on the TV and watch a game.
I'm going to have to think about this, but I'm strongly leaning towards not doing it. I find the whole thing irritating and petty. I realize the trend is moving in the direction of cord-cutting and just going completely to streaming, but we're not completely there yet, and the NFL fanbase certainly isn't. I think it's lame.
Should have specified this. Its $30 for the year. We got it because of some if the kids movies.
We dont have cable so, really isnt a hassle
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 13, 2024, 07:27:38 AMShould have specified this. Its $30 for the year. We got it because of some if the kids movies.
We dont have cable so, really isnt a hassle
Yeah for those who have cut the cord and have other uses for Peacock, then it's all good.
I think they're offering the game as a one-off purchase (ie no sign-up required). Not positive about that but I'm fairly sure. I'll probably end up doing that, lame as it is. I don't really feel like going to a bar tonight either.
There are also various bootleg options, depending on how one feels about that.
"Growing the game" has always meant one thing for Goodell: enriching the owners. That's who he works for. This deal enriches them, period. That's all that matters here.
Quote from: BlueMoshik on January 13, 2024, 08:05:25 AM"Growing the game" has always meant one thing for Goodell: enriching the owners. That's who he works for. This deal enriches them, period. That's all that matters here.
Just to play devils' advocate for a moment, isn't that kind of the idea with any for-profit business in a capitalistic society?
Quote from: Bob In PA on January 12, 2024, 04:04:44 PMNot a Taylor Swift fan anyway.... =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =))
Yeah what is the deal with her?
Not very good looking and zero memorable tunes
PR job
I have seen an interesting point raised about this. The NFL needed an anti-trust waiver from Congress to collectively market their TV package. This article discusses the rest
Saturday night's game between the Dolphins and Chiefs will become the first NFL playoff game to be available only via streaming, except in the home markets of the two teams. Many object to the development because they fear that more and more playoff games will land on streaming — including (eventually) the Super Bowl.
While it's impossible to know what the NFL eventually will do, at some point the NFL will jeopardize its broadcast antitrust exemption if it puts too many playoff games on pay-only platforms.
Already, New York congressman Pat Ryan has suggested that House of Representatives explore the law that allows the league's teams to sell their TV rights collectively, based on the decision to stream a playoff game.
The NFL's push to streaming began in 2022, when the NFL moved Thursday Night Football from free on Fox to prime on Amazon. There wasn't much of an outcry over that. But this is a playoff game; for many, it represents the first step in something that could expand to more postseason contests.
That's up to the league. But the league should tread lightly. Without the broadcast antitrust exemption, the NFL would face significant liability if it forces networks that would prefer to purchase the right to televise only Cowboys home games to also take home games from all teams. Eventually, every team would do its own deal. And it would become very hard to hold the league together if one team is making $1 billion per year and another team is making $50 million per year.
That's why the NFL has always made cable-only games on TNT or ESPN available via over-the-air TV in the local markets, for more than 30 years. Taking games away from three-letter networks in local markets would imperil the antitrust exemption.
The NFL surely knows the stakes for taking streaming too far. Personally, I doubt it will expand beyond wild-card weekend. If/when it does, there will be more voices calling for the league to lose the legal exception that has helped fuel the goose that has been laying golden eggs for more than 60 years.
So, basically, there's currently no reason to think one wild-card game on a streaming platform eventually will result in the Super Bowl on a streaming platform.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-wont-overdo-it-with-streaming-its-antitrust-exemption-relies-on-that
Quote from: BluesCruz on January 13, 2024, 08:14:29 AMYeah what is the deal with her?
Not very good looking and zero memorable tunes
PR job
Matter of opinion I guess. Clearly many millions of people disagree with you.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 13, 2024, 08:19:28 AMI have seen an interesting point raised about this. The NFL needed an anti-trust waiver from Congress to collectively market their TV package. This article discusses the rest
Saturday night's game between the Dolphins and Chiefs will become the first NFL playoff game to be available only via streaming, except in the home markets of the two teams. Many object to the development because they fear that more and more playoff games will land on streaming — including (eventually) the Super Bowl.
While it's impossible to know what the NFL eventually will do, at some point the NFL will jeopardize its broadcast antitrust exemption if it puts too many playoff games on pay-only platforms.
Already, New York congressman Pat Ryan has suggested that House of Representatives explore the law that allows the league's teams to sell their TV rights collectively, based on the decision to stream a playoff game.
The NFL's push to streaming began in 2022, when the NFL moved Thursday Night Football from free on Fox to prime on Amazon. There wasn't much of an outcry over that. But this is a playoff game; for many, it represents the first step in something that could expand to more postseason contests.
That's up to the league. But the league should tread lightly. Without the broadcast antitrust exemption, the NFL would face significant liability if it forces networks that would prefer to purchase the right to televise only Cowboys home games to also take home games from all teams. Eventually, every team would do its own deal. And it would become very hard to hold the league together if one team is making $1 billion per year and another team is making $50 million per year.
That's why the NFL has always made cable-only games on TNT or ESPN available via over-the-air TV in the local markets, for more than 30 years. Taking games away from three-letter networks in local markets would imperil the antitrust exemption.
The NFL surely knows the stakes for taking streaming too far. Personally, I doubt it will expand beyond wild-card weekend. If/when it does, there will be more voices calling for the league to lose the legal exception that has helped fuel the goose that has been laying golden eggs for more than 60 years.
So, basically, there's currently no reason to think one wild-card game on a streaming platform eventually will result in the Super Bowl on a streaming platform.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-wont-overdo-it-with-streaming-its-antitrust-exemption-relies-on-that
Highly biased article.
The last paragraphs tell it all:
Or give it a try for one month at $5.99. There's a ton of great content. Just today, for example, a new series debuted based on the Ted movies.
The Office is on Peacock. Plenty of Universal movies end up on Peacock not long after the start of their theatrical run. Plenty of live sports are on Peacock.
So give Peacock a try. Enjoy the Dolphins-Chiefs game. And please realize that, before the NFL would ever shift the Super Bowl to a streaming service, it would have to be ready to surrender its antitrust exemption. Which it would be crazy to do.
The article is just a fancy advertisement.
Quote from: Giant Jim on January 13, 2024, 09:49:43 AMThe last paragraphs tell it all:
Or give it a try for one month at $5.99. There's a ton of great content. Just today, for example, a new series debuted based on the Ted movies.
The Office is on Peacock. Plenty of Universal movies end up on Peacock not long after the start of their theatrical run. Plenty of live sports are on Peacock.
So give Peacock a try. Enjoy the Dolphins-Chiefs game. And please realize that, before the NFL would ever shift the Super Bowl to a streaming service, it would have to be ready to surrender its antitrust exemption. Which it would be crazy to do.
The article is just a fancy advertisement.
I hadn't read that far, I had posted the part I read and thought was relevant. Yeah, that's the danger of posting an NBC source discussing the game put on the NBC pay streaming service.
I tried to load Peacock on my Samsung TV. Can't get it, pre-2017 Samsung SmartTVs don't support it. I could load Peacock on my firestick which I use on my other TV. But I'm not happy about this move by the NFL, so to heck with it. I just won't watch the game.
WWE is on Peacock. So that's why we have it. Wrestlemania--yeah =)) =)) =)) =))
PLUS, I believe all of Yellowstone is on Peacock. (Uncut, not like what they're showing on national TV)
I am 100% behind Rep. Pat Ryan. I hope he goes hard against Godell and the NFL.
There is a petition/movement on SM to convince fans who don't already pay for Peacock to boycott paying extra for the game. I have no plans to watch it unless my NFL+ subscription has it available on repay. If you must watch the game choose a sports bar that may have it.
Refusing to pay extra for the game isn't really "boycotting" it in my opinion. That is just making a decision as a consumer. A true boycott would be to watch no NFL games this weekend. Or even to just not watching the Miami/KC game even if you already have Peacock. Clearly no NFL fan is going to go that far.
There is plenty of griping going on, and I don't disagree with it, but in the end it won't hurt the NFL. Their ratings will remain stratospheric.
Quote from: LennG on January 13, 2024, 11:59:38 AMPLUS, I believe all of Yellowstone is on Peacock. (Uncut, not like what they're showing on national TV)
I believe Yellowstone is on Paramount
Quote from: TDToomer on January 13, 2024, 12:39:04 PMI am 100% behind Rep. Pat Ryan. I hope he goes hard against Godell and the NFL.
There is a petition/movement on SM to convince fans who don't already pay for Peacock to boycott paying extra for the game. I have no plans to watch it unless my NFL+ subscription has it available on repay. If you must watch the game choose a sports bar that may have it.
You want an elected official wasting time on this?
Watching playoff football is not a right.
[Quoting myself from another source:]
"The camel's nose is well into the tent. The NFL suits are probably already salivating over the dollars to be had by 'peacocking'* the Super Bowl in 2025 or 2026.
"This poor old country mouse retains the ability, early-learned, of visualizing a game presented on radio. I've already dusted it off and warmed it up.
"Go flag-free," Big Blue!
"* Neologism, for those who enjoy the evolution of this marvelous language of ours. All that's needed is an 'in print' citation."
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 13, 2024, 04:05:34 PMYou want an elected official wasting time on this?
Watching playoff football is not a right.
YES! They have to stop it now before more playoff games and the SB is pay-per-view. People are scrambling to find a single bar that has bar in Boston. So far there is 1!
Don't make it seem like Congress has never investigated sports. They threatened to take MLB tax exemption away if they didn't clean up the steroid abuse and start mandatory testing. Then went further with the Mitchell Report which was Government funded.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 13, 2024, 04:52:36 PMYES! They have to stop it now before more playoff games and the SB is pay-per-view. People are scrambling to find a single bar that has bar in Boston. So far there is 1!
Don't make it seem like Congress has never investigated sports. They threatened to take MLB tax exemption away if they didn't clean up the steroid abuse and start mandatory testing. Then went further with the Mitchell Report which was Government funded.
That was a major scandal involving systemic use of illegal substances though. Why would lawmakers get involved with a business decision by the NFL to stream a game?
Quote from: TDToomer on January 13, 2024, 04:52:36 PMYES! They have to stop it now before more playoff games and the SB is pay-per-view. People are scrambling to find a single bar that has bar in Boston. So far there is 1!
Don't make it seem like Congress has never investigated sports. They threatened to take MLB tax exemption away if they didn't clean up the steroid abuse and start mandatory testing. Then went further with the Mitchell Report which was Government funded.
I have never been a fan of congressional grandstanding. In the case of the steroid stuff, it was illegal activity.
This is simple, if people don't want watch it will go away.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 13, 2024, 06:01:34 AMInteresting.
So if I'm understanding correctly, I can join for $5.99 a month, get 50% off that, and then cancel it after this game (or after one month). So I'll be paying $3 to watch this game basically.
I have two issues with this:
(1) The principle of it
(2) The hassle factor and dealing with all this crap when I just want to flip on the TV and watch a game.
I'm going to have to think about this, but I'm strongly leaning towards not doing it. I find the whole thing irritating and petty. I realize the trend is moving in the direction of cord-cutting and just going completely to streaming, but we're not completely there yet, and the NFL fanbase certainly isn't. I think it's lame.
1000% Exactly how I feel. It's xxxxxxxx. Between this and officials deciding games I hate the NFL. I live in Buffalo so stay into it because of Allen and The Bills being good after 2 decades of ineptitude. But uh. And the Peacock thing is 50% off for the year - on my screen right now.
It's wrong. They're ransoming their MVP and should be ashamed of themselves. How about not calling PI on an obvious early contact against Cleveland, but then they flag Cleveland for a phantom hold the next series. That xxxx swings games, it's obvious. It's like I watch despite them anymore.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 13, 2024, 02:21:06 PMI believe Yellowstone is on Paramount
https://www.peacocktv.com/stream-tv/yellowstone
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 13, 2024, 05:02:32 PMThat was a major scandal involving systemic use of illegal substances though. Why would lawmakers get involved with a business decision by the NFL to stream a game?
I don't think it is unreasonable if a business has been given an antitrust exemption that their actions are scrutinized to see if they are abusing that exemption.
Ironically I'm a long time Peacock subscriber because they show most of the Premier League games, but my PPV is more like $5G because it is showing in my cabin on my cruise to Hawaii. LOL
Quote from: LennG on January 13, 2024, 07:01:42 PMhttps://www.peacocktv.com/stream-tv/yellowstone
You know what is odd? Season 4 and 5 are on Paramount and the show was produced by CBS
Probably interesting for you guys, but every NFL game is pay per view for us in Europe.
I pay 300 USD per season to watch the games... There is no other way than NFL Gamepass through DAZN.
Quote from: GordonGekko80 on January 14, 2024, 06:49:15 AMProbably interesting for you guys, but every NFL game is pay per view for us in Europe.
I pay 300 USD per season to watch the games... There is no other way than NFL Gamepass through DAZN.
Unless you go the bootleg streaming route, which I don't recommend (great way to get infected with all kinds of viruses).
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 14, 2024, 07:08:05 AMUnless you go the bootleg streaming route, which I don't recommend (great way to get infected with all kinds of viruses).
Had my share of that, and don't recommend it either.
Countless times where I had to reset my computer.
Quote from: GordonGekko80 on January 14, 2024, 07:51:44 AMHad my share of that, and don't recommend it either.
Countless times where I had to reset my computer.
Some options are better than others but broadly speaking it's only worth using in a real pinch IMO, and better to avoid altogether.
I think the owner's greed is going to cost them bigtime in the long run. In business, they talk about headwinds (things that make operating and growing more challenging) and tailwinds (things that make operating and growing easier). From what I can see:
Tailwinds:
None (although recently gambling and fantasy sports were tailwinds)
Headwinds
CTE fears reducing the talent pool made worse by fewer young people
The stadium experience is too expensive for families and too violent in the stands for families (often, fans are created by good childhood memories of going to the game with family)
Ever increasing entertainment alternatives
Owners constantly screwing over fans- Pay per view playoff games, flexing regular season games to different days, too many night games., extending the season, general oversaturation, and too many commercials (which impacts both TV viewers and stadium attendees)
I really think that in 20 years, people will be marking these recent years as the start of the decline of the sport.
I think this is why you see so much focus on the NFL trying to become international. They need the influx of foreign talent as well as a bigger pool of people to draw from when it comes to their fanbase.
NFL is going to the whole young thing today ......Tony Dungy said right about Taylor swift ....NFL fans want to watch Football....not Taylor vSwift cuddling up to Kelces mom.
And not to make a playoff game available to be seen to the average NFL fan for free is definitely heading in the wrong direction.
not good
But hey, Roger Goddell needs to make enough $$$$'s to pay his 40 million a year.
Sometimes we forget and take football as a competitive sport to enjoy rather than for the money machine it really is.
Quote from: Woody on January 14, 2024, 08:34:16 AMNFL is going to the whole young thing today ......Tony Dungy said right about Taylor swift ....NFL fans want to watch Football....not Taylor vSwift cuddling up to Kelces mom.
And not to make a playoff game available to be seen to the average NFL fan for free is definitely heading in the wrong direction.
not good
But hey, Roger Goddell needs to make enough $$$$'s to pay his 40 million a year.
Sometimes we forget and take football as a competitive sport to enjoy rather than for the money machine it really is.
In some ways, the NFL is a victim of its own success. The NFL was founded by reasonably wealthy men who engaged in the business more out of competition than to make money. Now, the value of teams is over a billion dollars, and only the obscenely wealthy can join the elite club. When you spend that sort of money, it's not for a hobby or to compete; it's to make yet more money (you don't become that wealthy without it being an obsession).
https://x.com/jakegrossman0/status/1746338655042449897?s=20
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 14, 2024, 08:41:47 AMIn some ways, the NFL is a victim of its own success. The NFL was founded by reasonably wealthy men who engaged in the business more out of competition than to make money. Now, the value of teams is over a billion dollars, and only the obscenely wealthy can join the elite club. When you spend that sort of money, it's not for a hobby or to compete; it's to make yet more money (you don't become that wealthy without it being an obsession).
Well some are born into it, but point taken.
This was a test for the NFL. How much more money can they squeeze out of the networks in their contracts?
Have to admit I am a little surprised by the backlash in terms of the amount. I mean when it comes right down to it, its capitalism.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 14, 2024, 09:35:52 AMWell some are born into it, but point taken.
This was a test for the NFL. How much more money can they squeeze out of the networks in their contracts?
Have to admit I am a little surprised by the backlash in terms of the amount. I mean when it comes right down to it, its capitalism.
The big picture is capitalism. A more focused picture is about how you treat the customers you make your money off of in the form of viewership of your broadcast product, consumers of your merchandizing, and buyers of your tickets.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 14, 2024, 09:41:35 AMThe big picture is capitalism. A more focused picture is about how you treat the customers you make your money off of in the form of viewership of your broadcast product, consumers of your merchandizing, and buyers of your tickets.
And when those people finally stop watching and spending money on it, they will rethink it.
Until then it's almost laughable to me that I am reading stuff like "I hate the NFL and Goodell" written by people who consume as much of it as they can.
I think it was a bad move to do this with a playoff game, but had more of an issue with the time slot of NCAA semi final games.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 14, 2024, 09:50:50 AMAnd when those people finally stop watching and spending money on it, they will rethink it.
Until then it's almost laughable to me that I am reading stuff like "I hate the NFL and Goodell" written by people who consume as much of it as they can.
I think it was a bad move to do this with a playoff game, but had more of an issue with the time slot of NCAA semi final games.
If the NFL is smart they wouldn't see the anger and complaints over their pay-per-view playoff game, as it should be treated as a warning sign rather than a sign that people are foolish.
When people find a product they enjoy consuming and the provider of the product starts to raise prices and reduce the quality of the product there is an inevitable timeline:
1) the early attempts are often met with indifference
2) the consumers verbalize their dissatisfaction of the reduction in quality and the increase in cost
3) if it continues, the consumers finally give up the product they used to enjoy and likely will never go back to purchasing
Of course, while all this is occurring, you are not maximizing new customers as they don't have the need to change to avoid the mistreatment of increased cost combined by the reduction in product.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 14, 2024, 09:56:36 AMIf the NFL is smart they wouldn't see the anger and complaints over their pay-per-view playoff game, as it should be treated as a warning sign rather than a sign that people are foolish.
When people find a product they enjoy consuming and the provider of the product starts to raise prices and reduce the quality of the product there is an inevitable timeline:
1) the early attempts are often met with indifference
2) the consumers verbalize their dissatisfaction of the reduction in quality and the increase in cost
3) if it continues, the consumers finally give up the product they used to enjoy and likely will never go back to purchasing
Of course, while all this is occurring, you are not maximizing new customers as they don't have the need to change to avoid the mistreatment of increased cost combined by the reduction in product.
The NFL has increased its revenue almost every year for 20 years straight. That seems smart to me.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 14, 2024, 10:05:17 AMThe NFL has increased its revenue almost every year for 20 years straight. That seems smart to me.
In the short term, I agree they have maximized their income. Long term things like this are serious causes for concern:
https://x.com/SportsTVRatings/status/1224811585438396418?s=20
American football fans, on the other hand, are older than any other sports fanbase. More than half (55%) of all NFL fans are over the age of 35.
https://www.colormatics.com/article/sports-fan-buyer-persona/#:~:text=American%20football%20fans%2C%20on%20the,subdivisions%20outside%20mid%2Dsized%20cities.
If you want to see the future of Football, look to baseball, which is no longer as popular and relevant as it was once people called it "America's pastime."
I was able to watch the Miami- KC game on my phone via the NFL game day subscription that I have. It wasn't available on TV streaming.
Turns out the friends we has dinner with last night subscribe to Peacock because they are huge soccer fans and we watched the game after we got back to their house. 4th coldest game ever. Which were the other 3?
Ice Bowl 1967
AFC Championship 1981 Cincinati
???? My guess is New England vs The Titans in a divisional playoff game in the 2000's.
Our NFC Championship game in GB in 2007 was -2 or -3 so maybe the 5th coldest?
Get used to it. As more and more people drop cable packages, this is what will happen. I have had Peacock for some time as my wife watches several shows on the channel. Saying it was available "free" is a bit misleading. Most people no longer use antennas (I do) and need a cable subscription to get the local OTA channels.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 14, 2024, 10:16:43 AMIn the short term, I agree they have maximized their income. Long term things like this are serious causes for concern:
https://x.com/SportsTVRatings/status/1224811585438396418?s=20
American football fans, on the other hand, are older than any other sports fanbase. More than half (55%) of all NFL fans are over the age of 35.
https://www.colormatics.com/article/sports-fan-buyer-persona/#:~:text=American%20football%20fans%2C%20on%20the,subdivisions%20outside%20mid%2Dsized%20cities.
If you want to see the future of Football, look to baseball, which is no longer as popular and relevant as it was once people called it "America's pastime."
From this data, I think the NFL is looking long term because streaming is the future.
I think their long-term thinking speaks for itself as of now with what they have done in those last 20 years.
If you have the oldest fan base of any sport its a good idea to look at how younger people are consuming tv. Not that it will matter if what I read about younger generations interest in sports is true, and it's much lower than previous groups. But streaming, a show on Nickelodeon and some other campaigns say to me the NFL is very much focused on the future.
As for the baseball part, every sport has hits peak and eventually plays 2nd fiddle to something. The NFL will not be king forever.
Do we have median ages for the Super Bowl for the last 3 years? Not sure if that matters for this debate or not.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 14, 2024, 03:05:52 PMFrom this data, I think the NFL is looking long term because streaming is the future.
I think their long-term thinking speaks for itself as of now with what they have done in those last 20 years.
If you have the oldest fan base of any sport its a good idea to look at how younger people are consuming tv. Not that it will matter if what I read about younger generations interest in sports is true, and it's much lower than previous groups. But streaming, a show on Nickelodeon and some other campaigns say to me the NFL is very much focused on the future.
As for the baseball part, every sport has hits peak and eventually plays 2nd fiddle to something. The NFL will not be king forever.
Do we have median ages for the Super Bowl for the last 3 years? Not sure if that matters for this debate or not.
I find the NFL's streaming efforts to be rather interesting. Young people don't stream their video content because they are young. They do so because it's the convenience generation. They want what they want when they want it and with minimal effort. They want to view content on their schedule and where they want to view it. They want their food delivered to their homes rather than takeout or even eat-in. They don't want to shop for goods; they want to shop online and have them delivered.
The NFL is the ultimate content for broadcast TV because people need to view it live and are forced to the strongest degree of any content to view commercials. It also helps boost shows that follow football. That is what makes the NFL so valuable to broadcast TV. Streaming services want the NFL because it's the sort of offering that, if made exclusive, entices more people to sign up for the service. Beyond that, it's just very expensive content that has one-and-done value. So fundamentally, football is more valuable to broadcast television than to streaming services.
As for Nickelodeon, that is a smart move. Still, if you don't treat your customers well and you are nickel and diming them you will ultimately lose them or never get them
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 14, 2024, 03:51:06 PMI find the NFL's streaming efforts to be rather interesting. Young people don't stream their video content because they are young. They do so because it's the convenience generation. They want what they want when they want it and with minimal effort. They want to view content on their schedule and where they want to view it. They want their food delivered to their homes rather than takeout or even eat-in. They don't want to shop for goods; they want to shop online and have them delivered.
The NFL is the ultimate content for broadcast TV because people need to view it live and are forced to the strongest degree of any content to view commercials. It also helps boost shows that follow football. That is what makes the NFL so valuable to broadcast TV. Streaming services want the NFL because it's the sort of offering that, if made exclusive, entices more people to sign up for the service. Beyond that, it's just very expensive content that has one-and-done value. So fundamentally, football is more valuable to broadcast television than to streaming services.
As for Nickelodeon, that is a smart move. Still, if you don't treat your customers well and you are nickel and diming them you will ultimately lose them or never get them
Save money and time, sounds smart. As for being a convenience generation, they are much more likely to be vegetarian or vegan than older groups. Personally I find that inconvenient. We were the fast food generation, all about food convenience. As for tv convenience, what generation invented tivo?
It's nice to view what you want when you want rather than have to do it on some else's schedule.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 14, 2024, 03:56:11 PMSave money and time, sounds smart. As for being a convenience generation, they are much more likely to be vegetarian or vegan than older groups. Personally I find that inconvenient. We were the fast food generation, all about food convenience. As for tv convenience, what generation invented tivo?
It's nice to view what you want when you want rather than have to do it on some else's schedule.
Speak for yourself. I am not part of any fast food generation.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 14, 2024, 04:47:48 PMSpeak for yourself. I am not part of any fast food generation.
What's the problem?
How am I speaking for anyone else?
If you are of a certain age you grew up during a huge expansion of the fast food industry. Whether you are at them or not.
Yup. What generation you are in is 100% about the range of your birth year. It has nothing to do with what habits you personally have as an individual. Everyone born between certain years is a "baby boomer" a "gen X'er", a "millennial", and so on. Has nothing to do with your own individual behavior.
I was just a young kid when cable first came out, but I'm sure there was a lot of bitching when that first happened and some content moved from regular network TV to cable. Things just evolve. It is what it is.
Well, so much for the NFL pissing off its fans to the point that angry fans will boycott their product.
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1749808188806107294
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 23, 2024, 11:57:01 AMWell, so much for the NFL pissing off its fans to the point that angry fans will boycott their product.
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1749808188806107294
I would be careful about drawing too many conclusions about this. Remember, there was an actor and writer strike. The alternative offers are currently less than normal as many shows have not made it back yet.
I think the time slot was perfect for a big rating. Not too late on the East coast.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2024, 12:07:52 PMI would be careful about drawing too many conclusions about this. Remember, there was an actor and writer strike. The alternative offers are currently less than normal as many shows have not made it back yet.
Fair point, but I think it's also fair to say that the league has never been more popular than it is today, and there are, to this point at least, no signs of that trend reversing.
And for the record I didn't like what they did.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 23, 2024, 12:14:06 PMFair point, but I think it's also fair to say that the league has never been more popular than it is today, and there are, to this point at least, no signs of that trend reversing.
And for the record I didn't like what they did.
I am mindful of a wise old saying- "You can't tell the difference between flying and falling until you hit the ground"
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2024, 12:16:54 PMI am mindful of a wise old saying- "You can't tell the difference between flying and falling until you hit the ground"
I guess that makes sense in some aspects of life, but to the extent that the popularity of the NFL is quantifiable by various objective metrics including TV ratings, attendance, various other sales metrics, etc, I would argue that it would not be that difficult to observe a decline in the league's popularity, if and when there is one.
So while I understand the broad thrust of that saying, I'm not completely convinced that it applies in this case.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 23, 2024, 12:39:04 PMI guess that makes sense in some aspects of life, but to the extent that the popularity of the NFL is quantifiable by various objective metrics including TV ratings, attendance, various other sales metrics, etc, I would argue that it would not be that difficult to observe a decline in the league's popularity, if and when there is one.
So while I understand the broad thrust of that saying, I'm not completely convinced that it applies in this case.
Considering the Marvel Cinematic Universe. If someone said Marvel was killing the golden goose with the way they were doing things, people would have pointed to the healthy box office takes of Thor, Doctor Strange, and Black Panther. Yet the very next year the box office plummeted seemingly without warning.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2024, 12:54:17 PMConsidering the Marvel Cinematic Universe. If someone said Marvel was killing the golden goose with the way they were doing things, people would have pointed to the healthy box office takes of Thor, Doctor Strange, and Black Panther. Yet the very next year the box office plummeted seemingly without warning.
I hear you.
Is it your opinion that that will happen with the NFL next year (or in the near future)?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 23, 2024, 12:56:23 PMI hear you.
Is it your opinion that that will happen with the NFL next year (or in the near future)?
It's hard to say when or how rapid a decline will be. If I were to guess, we could see the start of a slower decline within the next 5 years. The owners are consistently putting profits ahead of the quality of their product and fan satisfaction. I have yet to see a business model where such an approach was successful long-term.
As long as there is the rule that the local stations get the broadcast rights to the game I'm fine. I can watch any game I want no matter what streaming service is being used.
Bill
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2024, 01:08:48 PMIt's hard to say when or how rapid a decline will be. If I were to guess, we could see the start of a slower decline within the next 5 years. The owners are consistently putting profits ahead of the quality of their product and fan satisfaction. I have yet to see a business model where such an approach was successful long-term.
Is it not fair to say that the league was doing everything it could to make money hand-over-fist 5 years ago?
I heard many predictions a decade or so ago that the league was facing an imminent existential crisis due to the concussion issue and their perceived lack of serious regard for player safety. Not only were many predicting an imminent decline in popularity, but I routinely heard predictions of the NFL being on the brink of ceasing to exist. Not only has that not happened, but the leagues seems to have only done better and better as the years have piled on.
I am not saying the NFL will never decline. I don't think at all. But what I will say is that I have been hearing about this for quite some time now, and I'm not sure that the occasional streaming game (when the rest of the entertainment world is moving in this direction too) is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 23, 2024, 11:57:01 AMWell, so much for the NFL pissing off its fans to the point that angry fans will boycott their product.
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1749808188806107294
What am I missing here? The game was on CBS and easily the best matchup of the 4 games. It's not like it was a Peacock exclusive. Speaking of which what were the ratings for the game that was on Peacock only?
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2024, 12:16:54 PMI am mindful of a wise old saying- "You can't tell the difference between flying and falling until you hit the ground"
I take that to the next level with the equally old saying "Any landing you walk away from is a good one."
:)
Peace!
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2024, 01:08:48 PMIt's hard to say when or how rapid a decline will be. If I were to guess, we could see the start of a slower decline within the next 5 years. The owners are consistently putting profits ahead of the quality of their product and fan satisfaction. I have yet to see a business model where such an approach was successful long-term.
There are no other business models to compare to the NFL, in my opinion. It is entirely unique and a powerhouse beyond any other sports venture known to man. I find it very hard to believe that the NFL is going to face any kind of substantial decline in the next 5 years- they're just getting started toward global markets and there's still, oddly enough for such a behemoth, a lot of growth to come in that area.
Moving to streaming being a bad business model? hmmmmm I'm not sure that's a prediction that has ever held up, nor will it. The older folks may grouse about it, but I'm pretty sure streaming and the Internet is the way we're going...
Quote from: PSUBeirut on January 24, 2024, 08:43:27 AMThere are no other business models to compare to the NFL, in my opinion. It is entirely unique and a powerhouse beyond any other sports venture known to man. I find it very hard to believe that the NFL is going to face any kind of substantial decline in the next 5 years- they're just getting started toward global markets and there's still, oddly enough for such a behemoth, a lot of growth to come in that area.
Moving to streaming being a bad business model? hmmmmm I'm not sure that's a prediction that has ever held up, nor will it. The older folks may grouse about it, but I'm pretty sure streaming and the Internet is the way we're going...
There's no question the medium to deliver NFL product is in the early adopter stage at this point. "How" the product will be delivered in the future will not be an issue as the NFL will stay at the cutting edge of maximizing viewership at maximum revenue stream. It will alienate some loyal viewers, at various stages, but they'll hedge their bets that enough will convert to the latest medium/technology.
The other variables (e.g. future of football in the USA, declining numbers of students playing, possible declining interest of future generations, impact of globalizing the game) suggest the NFL may have to make changes to its business model to retain existing fan loyalty and interest as well as develop a new generation of fans (e.g. fantasy football).
To be sure, their marketing division has to be on its feet to be ready for those marketability "shifts," if you will, and take action at points in time which may seem odd today, but seem innovative 10, 15, 20 years from now. This is how you keep your business relevant in changing times.
Peace!