Without looking up anything on the internet...how do you remember Shockey as a player and as a teammate? For me.... again not looking at the internet for facts my view of him was good player, but terrible teammate.
I want to say he was drafted 1st round with the 10th pick. I remember he had some really good years. I want to say he was mean to Eli. Didn't want to work out with him in the off season and would only work out in Florida with other players not named Eli. Injured during Elis first Superbowl.
1-How do you remember him?
2- Considering where he was drafted, did he live up to it career wise?
3-Was he a good teammate from what you can remember?
Shockey made plays that could turn the momentum in a game. He was fun to watch. But his overall production always left you wanting more.
He lived up to his draft position for sure. There were a few players drafted later who were better players (Ed Reed) but there were also a lot of busts and mediocre players. They needed a weapon on offense and he was the best one in that draft.
He was a bad teammate. Disruptive and self centered. But he was one of the most competitive players on the field and cared about winning. Some teams need a player like Shockey stirring the pot. I'd want him on this iteration of the Giants to break them out of their low expectations and excuse making doldrums. But his personality didn't mesh well with Eli.
I also wonder how that 2008 season would have gone if they hadn't traded Shockey. When Plax shot himself, the team basically folded. You have to wonder how things could have gone if they still had Shockey on the team. Not to mention they traded him for basically nothing. Clint Sintim and Rhett Bomar which is a less than nothing return for a quality TE.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on February 10, 2024, 10:15:13 PMShockey made plays that could turn the momentum in a game. He was fun to watch. But his overall production always left you wanting more.
He lived up to his draft position for sure. There were a few players drafted later who were better players (Ed Reed) but there were also a lot of busts and mediocre players. They needed a weapon on offense and he was the best one in that draft.
He was a bad teammate. Disruptive and self centered. But he was one of the most competitive players on the field and cared about winning. Some teams need a player like Shockey stirring the pot. I'd want him on this iteration of the Giants to break them out of their low expectations and excuse making doldrums. But his personality didn't mesh well with Eli.
I also wonder how that 2008 season would have gone if they hadn't traded Shockey. When Plax shot himself, the team basically folded. You have to wonder how things could have gone if they still had Shockey on the team. Not to mention they traded him for basically nothing. Clint Sintim and Rhett Bomar which is a less than nothing return for a quality TE.
Shockey was Jim Fassel's guy from the get-go for all the reasons mentioned above. In short, a disruptive force. He was all that and more in his early years.
I always believed Shockey was a team player from the standpoint he cared about his teammates, as well as his quarterback, but was known to speak his mind, like Tiki, to the press, which frustrated Coughlin. By 2007, after he sustained his injury, the contrasting style of Kevin Boss was so great that it seemed Eli performed better with the younger TE in the lineup. Shockey was already disgruntled and on the way out. The reasons were because he wanted to stand on the sideline during the Super Bowl and was told no. But it was a lot of other things as well. This sums it up well:
Inside Jeremy Shockey's Wild Giants Tenure (https://nypost.com/2022/10/16/inside-jeremy-shockeys-wild-giants-tenure-this-dudes-crazy/)
Peace!
I remember him for being a me-guy, but I also remember him for having the capacity to make plays like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPXeOHjV854
Quote from: kartanoman on February 11, 2024, 07:07:23 AMShockey was Jim Fassel's guy from the get-go for all the reasons mentioned above. In short, a disruptive force. He was all that and more in his early years.
I always believed Shockey was a team player from the standpoint he cared about his teammates, as well as his quarterback, but was known to speak his mind, like Tiki, to the press, which frustrated Coughlin. By 2007, after he sustained his injury, the contrasting style of Kevin Boss was so great that it seemed Eli performed better with the younger TE in the lineup. Shockey was already disgruntled and on the way out. The reasons were because he wanted to stand on the sideline during the Super Bowl and was told no. But it was a lot of other things as well. This sums it up well:
Inside Jeremy Shockey's Wild Giants Tenure (https://nypost.com/2022/10/16/inside-jeremy-shockeys-wild-giants-tenure-this-dudes-crazy/)
Peace!
That book excerpt is terrific. Really enjoyed reading it. Thanks for sharing!
For all the explosive plays he did make I also remember him dropping the ball in key spots and then throwing his hands up in the air in frustration. He never quite lived up to the hype. His years with Drew Brees were better for him
Quote from: Trench on February 11, 2024, 08:06:07 AMFor all the explosive plays he did make I also remember him dropping the ball in key spots and then throwing his hands up in the air in frustration. He never quite lived up to the hype. His years with Drew Brees were better for him
Until he got known as the rat on the whole Bountygate thing.
I liked Shockey and I had high hopes for him. There were times he was open and Eli either missed seeing him or didn't go his way. There were a few untimely drops. He was a total TE package. An excellent blocker as well as a great route runner who fought for extra yards. He had a high energy and all he wanted to do was win.
His antics hurt him and he should have supported Eli better. Between him and Tiki, they were perceived as a negative influence.
I remember his injuries were from the ankle down. He had thoroughbred lower legs down with too much top-heavy muscle to support.
Coughlin should have allowed him to be on the field for the SB but I understand why he may have been a distraction. I remember that overblown ice cube incident. He was on crutches too as I recall.
At Camp in Albany he was the only player who ran side to side signing the two autograph lines.
He could have had a better career and I had high expectations for him but he did carve out a nice one. He had almost 900 yards in two of his Giants season and seven TDs in 05 and 06. A four time Pro Bowl and was a first team all pro his rookie season.
I rank him right behind Bavaro as the Giants all time greatest TEs. Aaron Thomas had 37 TDs but played ten years with the Giants. Shockey did have 37 career TDs. I agree that if he was on that 2008 team, the Giants could have gone all the way. It could have been magic.
Two things I remember about him
1) Accorsi bragging that he overrode the team psychologist who had red-flagged Shockey (he bragged about this before Shockey's meltdown)
2) Shockey whining about presnap motion wearing him out
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 11, 2024, 08:58:39 AMTwo things I remember about him
1) Accorsi bragging that he overrode the team psychologist who had red-flagged Shockey (he bragged about this before Shockey's meltdown)
2) Schokey whining about presnap motion wearing him out
I think Jeremy Shockey was an inflection point for the Giants which led to their future success. For the few seasons prior to him becoming a Giant, the Giants defense owned the Giants offense, kicking its a$$ in every practice. What resulted was an offense that lacked confidence. After Shockey gets drafted, at the rookie dinner with the team, he refused to stand up and sing. Then, he got into a fight with Brandon Short, the LB. As practices unfolded he started to beat defenders and pushing and shoving them, then other offensive players responded. The offense got an identity, got confident and the rest is history.
He was a me first, grumpy player who ran very fast for a TE at that time making him uncoverable in the middle of the field. He embarrassed QB when he thought they should have thrown it to him.
As much as I did not like that, he brought swagger to the offense which they desperately needed.
Quote from: Philosophers on February 11, 2024, 09:11:42 AMI think Jeremy Shockey was an inflection point for the Giants which led to their future success. For the few seasons prior to him becoming a Giant, the Giants defense owned the Giants offense, kicking its a$$ in every practice. What resulted was an offense that lacked confidence. After Shockey gets drafted, at the rookie dinner with the team, he refused to stand up and sing. Then, he got into a fight with Brandon Short, the LB. As practices unfolded he started to beat defenders and pushing and shoving them, then other offensive players responded. The offense got an identity, got confident and the rest is history.
Yes, he 100% helped change the culture. I thought Quenton Nelson could have been that guy a few years ago. He was a big missed opportunity for this team.
The fact that when I think of Jeremy Shockey my thoughts are negative, when they ought to be otherwise, is his fault and no one else's. You might see that as unfair, yet not unexpected. And while I am no doubt in the minority where he's concerned, it ought not to be that way, and thus why it is that I can't help but feel dislike.
Cheers!
As a disappointment because my hope was him being the next Mark Bavaro.
He just wasn't that kind of a teammate.
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Quote from: Painter on February 11, 2024, 11:03:39 AMThe fact that when I think of Jeremy Shockey my thoughts are negative, when they ought to be otherwise, is his fault and no one else's. You might see that as unfair, yet not unexpected. And while I am no doubt in the minority where he's concerned, it ought not to be that way, and thus why it is that I can't help but feel dislike.
Cheers!
Larry, you said exactly how I feel. When I di think of him, his accomplishments are sort of in the background and my main thoughts are negative about him. I guess that is the way I will always think back on him.
As Ed said, he used to be at practice and sign everything and anything. I met him also at a signing when he was hawking some shoes, and got a hat signed by him. I also have his jersey signed and a could of other things. The jersey is sort of buried in the bak of my closet and the other stuff, well what would one do with things signed by Jeremy Shockey today?
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on February 11, 2024, 11:12:39 AMAs a disappointment because my hope was him being the next Mark Bavaro.
He just wasn't that kind of a teammate.
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Ironically they both played the same amount of seasons after being drafted.
Quote from: LennG on February 11, 2024, 12:25:26 PMLarry, you said exactly how I feel. When I di think of him, his accomplishments are sort of in the background and my main thoughts are negative about him. I guess that is the way I will always think back on him.
As Ed said, he used to be at practice and sign everything and anything. I met him also at a signing when he was hawking some shoes, and got a hat signed by him. I also have his jersey signed and a could of other things. The jersey is sort of buried in the bak of my closet and the other stuff, well what would one do with things signed by Jeremy Shockey today?
Messieurs Lenn and Larry, you are not alone in your opinions of Shockey, as many NFL players coming out of "The U" have opinions of them that are kindly described as polarizing to perhaps less complimentary descriptors as "self-aggrandizing."
He was the antithesis of a Mark Bavaro, in terms of personality. He grew up without a father in small-town Oklahoma. He grew up as wild and as predictable as a tornado touching down just southeast from Oklahoma City where he grew up (SIDE NOTE: I've been to OKC on business many times and have danced between EF4 funnels ... you have to be crazy to do that as part of your daily life!).
He worked and played hard. No, mad is probably the better term as he described himself a fancy at backroom brawling at the local bars. He brought that unfiltered attitude with him on the field and on the party circuit. Bringing it to New York, unrefined, would excite some and alienate others. Personally, I enjoyed watching him play for the Giants and am disappointed with the way things turned out and the choices he made to alienate himself. But he needed a fresh start and got that so it all worked out for him, and the Giants, in the end as both would win Super Bowls apart from each other.
Nowadays, he's doing all-right for himself, it appears, and understands who he is and stays honest with himself. In the end, as long as he's at peace with himself, and not doing the brawling stuff anymore, I say good for him and all the best. If I ever have to go back to OKC for business, and I see him at a bar and grill, I might quietly walk by his table to acknowledge I'm a Giant fan and enjoyed watching his career in NY. If he had a few minutes to sit and chat, I'd be more than happy to buy a pitcher and talk things Giants, Oklahoma or whatever. After all, who am I to judge a person?
Peace!
Quote from: TDToomer on February 11, 2024, 12:41:20 PMIronically they both played the same amount of seasons after being drafted.
The difference during their respective time here for me was Bavaro always made it about the team, Shockey made it about Shockey.
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A menace on the field. In both positive and negative ways. He did bring a swagger to the offense. His personality was ferocious and he wanted to win. He indeed is from Oklahoma, and as a fellow Oklahoman, I loved watching him play for my favorite team. However, when it was all said and done, he underachieved based on the talent he had. Still had a pretty dam good career. 2 time SB Champ!!!
I loved Shockey at the time, but defo a me first rather than team first guy.
I recall a game......may have been Philli?.....he lost his helmet in the course of making a catch.
On making the catch, he turned infield, helmetless, looking for yards and contact.
In the heat of battle, I loved it.
When the dust settled.....I thought, daft boy.
I remember the carry on at 42 when he was heading around the sideline on crutches, I'm now happy our TE was Kevin Boss rather than Shockey in that game.
I bear the lad no ill will, but he could have made more of his career had he matured earlier.