This trade would work salary cap wise, would you do it?
https://x.com/RealTannenbaum/status/1758499403436859732?s=20
He's not Giants material. Mine either.
https://heavy.com/sports/cleveland-browns/deshaun-watson-suspension-more-time-out/
:boooo:
NO.
Even when he hasn't been suspended or hurt (Which is basically his entire Browns career) he has been a shell of his former self before the dozens of sexual assault allegations surfaced. I don't need people like that on my team. Talented or otherwise. I'd rather stink with Daniel Jones than win with Deshaun Watson.
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 16, 2024, 10:09:50 AMHe's not Giants material. Mine either.
https://heavy.com/sports/cleveland-browns/deshaun-watson-suspension-more-time-out/
History would suggest that you aren't correct that he isn't Giants material. The Mara's gave Christian Peters an opportunity when it was well known that he had been accused of multiple rapes while at Nebraska. I'm not interested in Watson but the Mara's aren't as strait laced as they pretend to be.
Thanks Mike. That's why you are no longer in the NFL. You fail to understand that the Giants don't take players with black marks on character.
Quote from: Philosophers on February 16, 2024, 10:43:36 AMThanks Mike. That's why you are no longer in the NFL. You fail to understand that the Giants don't take players with black marks on character.
As
@madbadger mentioned I am not sure if this is really true. You have Christian Peters, Kerry Collins (who was damaged goods when the Giants signed him), Jay Feely, Ahmad Bradshaw (who eventually served time for theft), and LT (I suspect I have forgotten a few).
Absolutely has to be some click bait. Not sure how all the financials shake out but Watson has a whole bunch of guarantees in his contract. His cap hit is over 62 Million for 2024.
And that doesn't even touch all the other issues.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on February 16, 2024, 11:04:29 AMAbsolutely has to be some click bait. Not sure how all the financials shake out but Watson has a whole bunch of guarantees in his contract. His cap hit is over 62 Million for 2024.
And that doesn't even touch all the other issues.
Actually, if the Giants were to trade for Watson, they would be on the hook for $46 million (his guaranteed base salary) for the next three seasons. The Browns own the rest because they did some bonuses. If the Giants were to trade away Jones they would save nearly $14 million in cap space (with a $33 million dead cap charge).
Forget all the other bull, I would take Fields for a #2 pick straight up.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 16, 2024, 11:07:07 AMActually, if the Giants were to trade for Watson, they would be on the hook for $46 million (his guaranteed base salary) for the next three seasons. The Browns own the rest because they did some bonuses. If the Giants were to trade away Jones they would save nearly $14 million in cap space (with a $33 million dead cap charge).
Right, so why on earth, would the Browns, who just signed the guy like 18 months ago want to trade him and be on the hook for that salary for 3 years?
Is there some indication the Browns want to get rid of Watson who they gave a contract that reset the market? And again, that doesn't speak to the other side for the Giants about whether they want a guy that has played in 12 games since 2020. And I would say in those 12 games he has not looked good.
Further, he has to testify at two more legal proceedings and could be facing more suspension time.
https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/browns-deshaun-watson-may-retestify-outstanding-sexual-misconduct-case
No deal. But if they want Jones they can have him for a couple of mid rounds picks. I'd do that without hesitation.
Sounds like a trade the Cowboys would make. :sick:
Quote from: uconnjack8 on February 16, 2024, 11:17:27 AMRight, so why on earth, would the Browns, who just signed the guy like 18 months ago want to trade him and be on the hook for that salary for 3 years?
Is there some indication the Browns want to get rid of Watson who they gave a contract that reset the market? And again, that doesn't speak to the other side for the Giants about whether they want a guy that has played in 12 games since 2020. And I would say in those 12 games he has not looked good.
Further, he has to testify at two more legal proceedings and could be facing more suspension time.
https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/browns-deshaun-watson-may-retestify-outstanding-sexual-misconduct-case
They have Joe Flacco and would get Daniel Jones (who likely do much better with the far more talented Browns team). They might prefer to run with Flacco and get out from under the Watson deal.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 16, 2024, 10:55:06 AMAs @madbadger mentioned I am not sure if this is really true. You have Christian Peters, Kerry Collins (who was damaged goods when the Giants signed him), Jay Feely, Ahmad Bradshaw (who eventually served time for theft), and LT (I suspect I have forgotten a few).
Dave Meggette was an absolute degenerate when he played for the Giants but most of his behavior went unnoticed by the public until he got to New England. I have a hard time believing that the Mara's were unaware of his character deficits.
https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/big-blue-plus/new-york-giants-daniel-jones-brian-daboll
Didn't want to start a new thread just for it but a really good article explaining why the Giants have to get a Qb this offseason.
Click bait and nothing more in my opinion
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 16, 2024, 11:28:40 AMThey have Joe Flacco and would get Daniel Jones (who likely do much better with the far more talented Browns team). They might prefer to run with Flacco and get out from under the Watson deal.
Why would you think Jones would do better on any other team? How many coaches has he had and Jones is still Jones. Yes he may put up better numbers and a few more wins but he is and always will be just an average QB and nothing will change that.
Quote from: madbadger on February 16, 2024, 10:42:08 AMHistory would suggest that you aren't correct that he isn't Giants material. The Mara's gave Christian Peters an opportunity when it was well known that he had been accused of multiple rapes while at Nebraska. I'm not interested in Watson but the Mara's aren't as strait laced as they pretend to be.
Your point is right, but look at the players they made exceptions to. Generally late round draft picks, low cost positions or a player coming back from redemption signed at a lower cost. I don't think they've taken a big ticket flier on a player with some issues. With Watson, they'd be on the hook for a lot of money. I don't think that's their type of gamble. I may be wrong.
Quote from: LennG on February 16, 2024, 11:14:13 AMForget all the other bull, I would take Fields for a #2 pick straight up.
So would I
For those who want to trade for Fields: would you exercise his fifth year option in this offseason? You'd be required to make that decision now. That would mean you'd be locking yourself in for about $20mm fully guaranteed for 2025.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 16, 2024, 03:30:52 PMFor those who want to trade for Fields: would you exercise his fifth year option in this offseason? You'd be required to make that decision now. That would mean you'd be locking yourself in for about $20mm fully guaranteed for 2025.
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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 16, 2024, 03:30:52 PMFor those who want to trade for Fields: would you exercise his fifth year option in this offseason? You'd be required to make that decision now. That would mean you'd be locking yourself in for about $20mm fully guaranteed for 2025.
Why would anyone here want a younger version of Daniel Jones? Besides with Jones cap situation no one is going to trade for him and cutting him is out of the question leaving us with two guys who can run but are below average as passers.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 16, 2024, 10:55:06 AMAs @madbadger mentioned I am not sure if this is really true. You have Christian Peters, Kerry Collins (who was damaged goods when the Giants signed him), Jay Feely, Ahmad Bradshaw (who eventually served time for theft), and LT (I suspect I have forgotten a few).
Josh Brown would disagree.
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 16, 2024, 04:46:45 PMJosh Brown would disagree.
Not to mention Zeke Mowatt and Mark Ingram
Quote from: LennG on February 16, 2024, 11:14:13 AMForget all the other bull, I would take Fields for a #2 pick straight up.
The ONLY QB I see out there worth acquiring is Fields. That includes college and available NFL quarterback.
The number 6 pick and not much else should be doable. Or you can give them Daniel Jones also, but U doubt Chicago like the rest of the NFL is that dumb. He is our 40 million dollar albatross for this coming season.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 16, 2024, 11:07:07 AMActually, if the Giants were to trade for Watson, they would be on the hook for $46 million (his guaranteed base salary) for the next three seasons. The Browns own the rest because they did some bonuses. If the Giants were to trade away Jones they would save nearly $14 million in cap space (with a $33 million dead cap charge).
If the Giants made the trade and cut Watson after a year, would they be on the hook for $46 m for the next 2 years?
Quote from: nb587 on February 16, 2024, 06:18:51 PMIf the Giants made the trade and cut Watson after a year, would they be on the hook for $46 m for the next 2 years?
3 seasons
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 16, 2024, 06:48:05 PM3 seasons
If I thought Watson had much left in the tank, it might be worth it. That 2nd round pick is appealing but that's too expensive.
Watson is a terrible QB at this point, so at least on field, I'm not sure swapping Jones for him gets us anywhere.
Then there's the contract and the off field stuff.
If this trade were to really go down, I'd want at least 2 #1 picks from Cleveland along with Watson for Jones. That's how bad the other stuff is.
Quote from: AYM on February 17, 2024, 05:21:43 PMWatson is a terrible QB at this point, so at least on field, I'm not sure swapping Jones for him gets us anywhere.
Then there's the contract and the off field stuff.
If this trade were to really go down, I'd want at least 2 #1 picks from Cleveland along with Watson for Jones. That's how bad the other stuff is.
if you think Watson is terrible... what does that make Daniel Jones?
I don't know how many years he would screw with our cap, but getting a 2nd AND an upgrade at QB? I'm in.
Quote from: EliWasrobbed on February 18, 2024, 01:32:38 AMif you think Watson is terrible... what does that make Daniel Jones?
I don't know how many years he would screw with our cap, but getting a 2nd AND an upgrade at QB? I'm in.
Also terrible. If you put 2023 Watson on last year's Giants, I don't think he'd be any more productive than Jones was.
Quote from: AYM on February 20, 2024, 08:24:24 PMAlso terrible. If you put 2023 Watson on last year's Giants, I don't think he'd be any more productive than Jones was.
well Tyrod and Tommy devito werre both more productive than Jones, so I find that hard to believe.
https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1760747017494777920?s=20
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 22, 2024, 02:30:33 PMhttps://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1760747017494777920?s=20
I can't see any way the Pats don't take a QB. I guess nothing is impossible, but I'd be truly shocked, as their in-house options are terrible, and they have a brand new regime coming in. The only way I could see the Giants moving from 6 to 3 is if the Pats traded up from 3 to 1, and then the Bears moved down from 3 to 6. I guess that's not impossible, but it feels like the mother of all longshots to me.