Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Chris on May 06, 2011, 07:53:49 AM
Assuming that a player is going to replicate the career of a bust because they share a similar body type seems like an inexact metric to me. It seems like people who didn't like the pick are reaching for more reasons not to like it. Can we assume that Brewer is the next Jumbo Elliot because they both went to Big Ten schools?

Regarding the "Troy is not Miami" angle, how did that work out for Osi and DeMarcus Ware?

I think those 2 were more dominant.  It might be true that people who didn't like a pick reach for more reasons not to like it afterwards.  But the converse is true also.  Look no further that the about face many board member have performed with Greg Jones: a barely mentioned prospect in a weak LB class who now that the Giants have drafted him,  is hailed as the solution to all our LB problems.

The way I look at it at this point is that no one has any new information.  Everything that can be known about the 2011 class is known.  Rehashing old information does not make it new or more insightful.  Neither does it shed anymore light on a prospect's likely success.  We can only wait for mini-camps or whatever is next.  Usually those don't shed much light, either.

We can all try to make ourselves feel better about our picks, now that they are ours.  Or we can nurse our grievances that our favorites were selected by other teams.  But neither yields any further insight on how the new Giants will actually perform.

Only time will tell.  

Miami vs. Troy.  Who does Troy play?

Writes Kerry Byrne, "In a best-case scenario, Jernigan emerges into a Wes Welker-type possession receiver underneath. But that's an awful lot to expect. And I'm concerned by his very humble average of 9.8 yards per catch in 2010 (84 catches, 822 yards). He's not the player who's going to help a downfield attack."

He gave the Giants'draft B- overall.

Quote from: dasher on May 01, 2011, 10:49:43 AM
From today's NFP:

My Sunday Best: Value picks

Prince Amukamara, Giants

Maybe he'll coach someday.  Didn't see him do anything except clean up bad plays.

Nice video, Vette.  Fast, but straight line fast.  Looks like some receiveing skills.  I'd like to see how he does when defenders actually touch him.

I wonder what it's like to run that fast.

Problem is, if he contributes at all it will be on specials and 4.6 or whatever is only OK for that.

You never know.  Has special teams written all over him.  It doesn't take much to upgrade the incumbents and any upgrade would be welcome.

Quote from: President Rick on April 30, 2011, 05:58:28 PM
RB Da'Rel Scott.  Maryland.  had the fasted RB time in the 40...4.35 or so.

we'll keep BJ, AB, ware and Scott at RB.

Yes, I'm a Maryland grad [Ph.d., 1988].  Go Terps.  GO GIANTS.

A gentleman and a scholar.  Well, at least a scholar.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Da'Rel can do also.  More so than most of the guys picked before him.  A sub-4.4 RB would be a real weapon.  Small, but so is Desean Jackson.  That's probly why he lasted till the 6th.  If he has the ability and we have the same to employ it, he'll be a a very welcome addition.

At the risk of intruding on MG's territory, here is some stuff from CBS sports on Mr. Brewer.

The link:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1243647

And some of their information:

04/04/2011 - Top offensive linemen: 9. James Brewer, Indiana, 6-6, 323, 3, Hoosiers are just born with hoops in their blood. Basketball was Brewer's first love, and he didn't give up the round ball for shoulder pads and a helmet until his senior season at Arlington High School in Indianapolis. Brewer went two years at IU before he got on the field -- he redshirted in 2006 and missed the '07 season with a foot injury -- and his sophomore season in '08 ended in anguish when he went down with an ankle injury at midseason. Brewer didn't completely escape injuries the rest of his career, missing three games in 2010 with an ankle injury, and enters the NFL with just 21 career starts. His size and potential pique the interest of scouts who might be inclined to gamble on his upside in the middle rounds if they're convinced he won't spend more time in the trainer's room than film room and practice field. - Jeff Reynolds, The Sports Xchange

"Overview
James Brewer is an intriguing prospect who settled in as Indiana's best pass protector after a well-traveled high school career, but struggled with injuries at IU. Prior to matriculating to Indiana, he bounced around three different high schools -- he primarily played basketball -- before finally settling in at Arlington High School in Indianapolis and focusing on football as a high school senior.

After redshirting in 2006, Brewer missed the entire season with a foot injury. In 2008, he was a reserve in the first eight games before suffering a season-ending ankle injury. After a strong showing in spring practice as a junior, Brewer realized his potential as the anchor on the right side of an offensive line that gave up just 16 sacks - the second-lowest total among Big 10 teams that season. The 2010 honorable-mention All-Big Ten pick started his senior year playing very well against non-conference opponents but again missed three games -- this time with an ankle injury -- before returning at less than full strength for Indiana's final four games.

Despite Brewer's large frame, he is more of a finesse blocker than a mauler and never really took the leadership reins in 2010 from Rodger Saffold, whom the St. Louis Rams selected with the first pick of the second round of the '10 draft. But despite injury issues, scouts were impressed with his season-ending performance against Purdue's defensive cornerstone Ryan Kerrigan. Brewer may be a relatively high draft pick because of his vast potential but he's not without question marks.

Analysis
Strengths: Has great athleticism for his size and a quick first step off the snap. Has a strong upper body, uses his arms well to knock rushers off their path. Good agility and can move with ease laterally. Has a very quick kick-slide to mirror speed rushers to the outside. Has good awareness and adjusts well to blitzes. Keeps his pad level low and is able to get good leverage for a player of his size. Good quickness and is effective when pulling. Adjusts to spin moves and attacks cut blocks. Gets to the second level quickly. Has quick feet and can lock onto linebackers in the open field. Does not drive defenders out of the play but does a good job occupying them and sustaining his blocks.

Weaknesses: Does not display much aggression. Regularly grabs the outside of the defenders' shoulder pads instead of attacking his chest to drive and steer him out of the play. Does not make the first contact and tends to wait and catch the defender. Lacks a nasty demeanor when run blocking. Doesn't take good pursuit angles and often fails to keep his body square. Fails to explode off the ball in the run game and also struggles to hold his ground against bull rushers. Can open his hips and get beat to the inside. Ineffective when cut blocking and struggles to take down athletic defensive ends. Could do a better job keeping his feet moving once engaged. Missed time in 2007, '08 and 2010 with foot and ankle injuries. Not a vocal leader on the field or in the locker room and his competitiveness has been questioned.

2010 Season
Received honorable mention All-Big Ten from the league's coaches and media

Quote from: babywhales on April 29, 2011, 09:36:00 PM

Quote from: LennG on April 29, 2011, 09:32:54 PM

Times sure have changed. When Wellington was here, we never would have even had a guy like this on our draft board. We always took pride in the Giants steering away from problem like this BEFORE they even suit up.

Talent aside, is this where we now are?????????????/

He signed Collins who was nothing short of a head case.  


They researched it and w
Felt it safe.  
I assume they did the same here.

True.  The ESPN Hassleback or Dilfer was saying the character bs is over-rated anyway.  None of them are saints and if anything they were worse in the old days.  If we had more than a need for a DT, I wouldn't mind this pick at all.

God bless you, MG!

Quote from: NYSPORTS on April 29, 2011, 08:23:45 PM
Giants will be running a 5-2-4 defense (with two hybrid DE at linebacker)


Tuck-Austin-Canty-JPP-Osi

Kiwi (lb) Sintim (lb)

Prince, Webster, Thomas, Rolle

That's a joke, right PSU?  If not, it's going to take more than 9 guys to hide those two LBs.

Quote from: todge on April 28, 2011, 11:24:30 PM

Quote from: TDToomer on April 28, 2011, 10:23:57 PM
I hope you guys are right.  I think CB was not a day 1-2 need position and that we should have taken Ingrim or an OL.  It seems like Reese loads up at some positions (DE, DB, WR) but lets others go thin (LB, RB).  Maybe I have more faith in TT than others.  We needed to address our aging OL, not a position that is relatively young by NFL standards.

The Giants don't pick positions - they pick the highest rated player on their Board at a position of need.  There are plenty of other picks to address the OL.

They should have picked a postion.  Unless they let our D play with 12 - 13 guys, I don't see how he improves us much.  The run on OTs leaves only leavings for us.  I hope Ingram at 28 doesn't start a run on RBs or the O might find itself exactly where it was last year, except one year older.

I played BB in HS with a kid named Will Rackley.  Went on to coach at Brown.  Also his brothers David and Luther.

Anyway, I can't believe we'll be looking for guard help before the third.  At that point, it looks way too late for sleepers like Watkins or Ijlana to still be around.  But if one of them is, I'd love to see us get him.

Cooler and ice, no problem!  Plus I'll look at page 1.