Big Blue Huddle

How do you all feel about the DC choice? A position coach up and coming that may need a learning curve, an experienced one who came from a decent or bad defense or a veteran like Jim Schwartz who's unavailable but we missed out on a year or so ago? A fired HC?

I think I want a proven entity.

This tells another story. The Defense was worse than the Offense and Special Teams and the only area they improved in over Pat Graham's Defense was tackling. They were significantly worse in Coverage, Run Defense, and Total Defense. We lose sight of that on a game-by-game basis and how the Defense played in some games in the second half of the season. They did however give up an average of 32 points a game in 5 games after the Jets game. Winky was wildly inconsistent. They gave up 23 points a game in the first 8 games. Went on a Tommy Cutlets streak and then crapped out 5 games. There were 7 games giving up 28 points or more.

All this Drama and he didn't want accountability or be coached. They should have kept Pat Graham. With the infusion of better talent, who knows what he might have accomplished, he certainly didn't pack an ego.

This is why teams should look at the existing staff and do interviews with them besides an exit interview. They cut loose some good coaches sometimes. 

Quote from: AZGiantFan on January 12, 2024, 12:10:37 PMSeems like that is a very strong argument in Daboll's favor.  I think your management analogies are way off base because a high pressure, out in the public, professional sports team is a different animal.  Personally I think a military analogy fits better.  And a leader who protects his troops from machinations of lesser officers is doing a good job.  If there are other disaffected coaches they should be gotten rid of. 

Exactly. More in line with Sun Tsu in the 21st Century.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 12, 2024, 11:25:11 AMWhy would the Rooney rule apply at all if you're hiring a minority?

I was thinking about number two.

Quote from: LennG on January 12, 2024, 11:18:05 AMI'm not ready to give up on him as of yet. I can't go down lists but he does seem to have enough good qualities to warrant another year and hopefully improve the team. What worries me the most is that the entire team wasn't ready to play on just too many occasions. There were games where we didn't even show up and that goes to the HC.

Winning establishes a different culture. Players hated TC until he showed them that was the way to win. Then, all of a sudden. they all bought into his shpeal. In fact, you probably could go back to Parcels with the same thing. Winning makes coaches geniuses and players believe in it.
So let's stick with Daboll another year and see what happens.

No doubt about everything you said. Daboll had his warts this year in season and game preparation.

So the Rooney Rule doesn't apply in the case of an inside promotion? That's what happened in the McAdoo move, correct?

McKinney = Show me the money

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 12, 2024, 10:56:14 AMSpot on, Bob. None of this is based on fact. It's all opinion and supposition based on an extremely limited view of things.

Which is why absolutely none of this manufactured drama means squat to me. As others have said, this is equal parts losing franchise + manufactured drama + off-season boredom.

One fact we know is that none of this faux drama kept the team from landing their #1 choice for OL coach. I'd think if things in the building were as bad as some are trying to portray, thus would have not been the case.

Good point on the Oline Coach hire. He probably sees this as a slam dunk opportunity to be a hero.

Quote from: Gmo11 on January 12, 2024, 10:55:35 AMMcKinney made it clear he was not even considering re-signing with the Giants if Wink was still around.  Now it's at least a possibility that he comes back.  To take that kind of stance would likely indicate he wasn't alone with that distaste of his DC.

Thibs made a remark that he wants a podcast opportunity to speak because he knows the real deal. Although I suspect he's not on Wink's side, for sure he's on his own side. He should STFU.

Quote from: babywhales on January 12, 2024, 10:42:59 AMhttps://giantswire.usatoday.com/2024/01/12/new-york-giants-brian-daboll-makes-brutal-outbursts-personal/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3tSBUmLbpLRleY9QtKKOfL4DZln-h2ykeQ7ulDKo_tkZ36oBRd4QE3n-A_aem_ATEtSBf20qWMgVzW6wSqUPPCEHf-PReUqexlUqZFiW3za2l_tCJ3aRzmVQMbS5NoU1M#lrat2vjum90wz6wn72

No doubt Daboll should adjust his outbursts and save them for important moments. Otherwise he gets tuned out. I wonder how much of it was pushback from Wink's needling and being antagonistic.

I agree with Rich on one point. Schoen knew Daboll's personality and he had to know Wink's. He put two explosive Alpha Dogs together because he and I suspect Mara didn't want a new HC to have his attention fragmented, when the goal was to mentor DJ and fix the Offense. That failed on both fronts.

If Kafka stays, it provides continuity on that side. He however needs mentoring too and if he's too mindset on the KC ways and "we did it this way" attitude then he needs to move on too.

Schoen needs to support the hires that will work well with Daboll. I'm sure they do personality profiles as I did with my Managers and it's clear that there are certain teams that will work and those that will not.

Disappointed that the best game is on a streaming service that fans would have to purchase a plan. Peacock my ass.

Anyone who has had to swim with sharks understands that in order to right the ship and deal with the self serving, you need to fight back and not allow yourself to be eaten alive.

It ended the way it did because Wink wasn't going to be allowed to dictate how this would go down.

Anyone who hires this guy, is a fool.

He got what he deserved.

One other point to all this. Obviously, the Giants do not want to fire another HC after two seasons and continue the vicious cycle. The difference here is that Joe Schoen had a set of balls and not only stood by his HC instead of looking to save his own ass, but he cleaned house of the cancer.

Something Dave Gettleman and Jerry Reese didn't have the character and integrity to do.

Wink Martindale is 61 years old and been in the league a very long time and he knows that his actions can tear apart a team and destroy a season. Yet, this is what he did. He was not just petulant but back stabbing and insubordinate.

Try to work it out? There was no working it out because according to Raanan, his mind was made up. You want to leave Wink? Wait until the end of the season and deal with it then. Otherwise all your BS is self serving. He basically caused a division among the coaching staff and most certainly got in the ear whispering negativity to anyone who would hear it.

So Daboll was disingenuous for attempting to hold the team together and shield his players from the BS? He was giving Wink a FU by giving him the game ball? I saw it as a peace offering and giving him credit in front of the players and the public. Was Wink's reaction, "Do you believe this fucking guy?" and continue his insidious actions?

Sorry Wink, but you're a fucking weasel. Be a man and not a child.