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Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 20, 2023, 03:58:51 PMI stand by everything I said. He was fine. Washington's two best players are their two interior DLs. He held up fine. Most of the pressure was not related to him. It was DeVito holding onto the ball way too long.

OK, I'm watching the breakdown from a different perspective than you are. I'm watching his one-one-on matchups and what he was expected against his execution. You're looking at pressure and sacks. You may not think it's pressure when he whiffs or falls down but it contributes to the available movement of the QB in the pocket. Those breakdowns may not have resulted in a hit, hurry, or sack but they could have. It kept Tommy from stepping up in the pocket to deliver a pass on those blitz packages.

You can have your opinion.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 20, 2023, 04:01:45 PMhttps://x.com/BigBlueHuddle/status/1726706928729174414?s=20

Btw, a shoutout to Jonathan Vilma who did a nice job in commentary. It was refreshing to have someone who actually understands the game on the team for a Giants game.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 20, 2023, 03:55:39 PMPass blocking- 36.8
Run Blocking- 55.3
Overall- 51.3
According to PFF JMS gave up one sack and two hurries

Thanks Rich. Right about where I had him. I also had two sacks on him but that's subjective.

Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on November 20, 2023, 02:54:29 PMJMS played fine. PFF is crap and always has been. They don't know what they are watching and what the responsibilities are. This is my one and only post on this thread because I shouldn't even reply at all to anything PFF.

He didn't play fine. He had two whiffs, fell down, and was bullrushed on the first drive alone. He was a mixed bag of good plays and poor plays. He was fine on his double teams but when he was one one-on-one with Payne and Ridgeway, they manhandled and got past him. There were a few plays where he pulled or went to the second level and was lost in space. I don't know what his Pass Pro and Run Grades were but I would have graded him in the 50's. @MightyGiants what were his grades respectively? 

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 20, 2023, 02:44:21 PMLike you, I obviously don't know what they'll do or what they're thinking. Nobody does. We can only speculate.

The Giants have already scouted Maye in person six times. That we know for sure, and that's definitely a lot. Clearly they have some level of interest in him. You don't go back a fourth, fifth, and sixth time if you're not significantly interested. Obviously he may not be available (or easily available) to them, so there's that. No clue where they stand on Williams or the other QB prospects.

No matter what they think of Jones as a player, I'd be surprised if Schoen and Daboll wanted to effectively bet their careers on him (ie give themselves no other quality alternatives) at this point. If nothing else, it is now really no longer up for debate as to whether or not Jones can consistently remain on the field. He clearly definitively cannot. That alone makes him not very viable as a long term option, plus these injuries are very serious and they're starting to really add up. I am pretty sure Schoen and Daboll can at least see these realities, because they are pretty obvious. They don't make for a very promising long term outlook, and that's before you even analyze his play, which we know has not been good and been further undermined by the superior play of other QBs on the same team.

I feel like Schoen and Daboll already took their shot on Jones with this contract, and it backfired spectacularly. To effectively double down on him at this point would seem a bizarre move to me, especially from their point of view. We know how Mara operates. He is capable of firing people after two years if things get ugly. He won't with these guys, but if they decide to run it back with Jones and Tommy D as the backup in 2024, and Jones stinks, or gets hurt, or both yet again, they are as good as gone, and they know that. I'll be extremely surprised if that's really their plan.

I think above all at this time, they want to turn the losing around to winning. If they drop in the draft, I don't see them trading up and giving away the farm. To visit a QB six times to me means the player isn't a slam dunk. I like Maye but there is something about him that just doesn't stand out to me. Calib is boom or bust to me. Daniels has incredible weapons. Penik is a tear away. McCarthy is vegetable lasagna. Nobody but me likes Bo Nix. 2/3 of this class will bust if history shows us anything. I just think they are still on the fence. They know if they can protect Jones, he can be very effective. That 2024 cutoff gives Schoen at least 4 years and if Daboll turns this team around this year, he gets another year but the decision of drafting a QB falls on Schoen and Mara.

Is anyone else disappointed in JMS? Pugh is a better Tackle than a Guard. Bredeson has also been a disappointment. The positive is that the Tackles held up. Phillips has outplayed Evan Neal and I would hope that the old Daboll shows his face and sticks with the better player for the sake of Tommy. Bredeson should be at LG and Glow or Pugh at RG. BB has never played well at RG. JMS needs off-season conditioning and some sand in his pants. I'll bring the Ribs.

I think Tommy did what was expected of a QB on some of those throws. He did miss a couple of Open Receivers and held the ball too long at times. He also made some good throws that I'd give him a +1 or a +2. I think his grade is appropriate and btw, a 70 is a very good grade.

ILB is one of those positions where you can look good on one play and bad on another. What he does do is step up on key plays and I'll take it.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 20, 2023, 01:28:07 PMFor sure.

The only thing I'm not really open to at this point is convincing ourselves that Jones may still somehow be the answer long term. I trust (or hope) that the team has moved on from that idea too at this point, even though Mara seemed utterly convinced of it just a handful of months ago.

I'm getting the vibes that they aren't looking to replace Jones in the draft. Too many hints going out there from Ralph to Papa and Banks. I think they are open right now. If Tommy comes back down to earth and looks like a viable backup, they keep Jones and Tommy and see how the 2024 season plays out. They may look to renegotiate Jones's contract at some point next year. If Tommy continues to win by the Grace of God, I don't what they will do. So many variables. I think if there is any way they can stick with Jones, trade and get more picks to improve the team, that is their preference.

If they gain confidence off this win, the only game I know they can't win is the first Eagles game. The rest of the teams they can play with. NE- 2-8, GB- 4-6, NO- 5-5, LAR- 4-6. If they finish 3-3 that puts them at 6-11 and they may drop in the draft to around the 10th slot. At that point, they may go BPA and they have so many needs, who knows.   

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 20, 2023, 12:45:22 PMNo question Bo has been great since the transfer from Auburn (where he was decidedly far from great). We'll see. I'll agree that after Maye and Williams, it is unclear who the number three is, and it's possible he could be it.

All I'm saying here to everyone is don't be closed-minded and I know it's not in your nature to be. Lots of Football left and film to see.

I did not know that!

Dale bet against the Giants and Tommy Boy said, "We'll just see about that". It's down to just two after 22 eliminated.

It's amazing the Giants picked him so high since he came from a conference that plays poor competition, at OREGON!

He certainly has come on strong after a slow start this season. It's not just the sacks but the pressure too.

Bobby slammed Tommy last week but this is good. Shows all the dropped passes and the interference that wasn't called. He should have had well over 300 yards.

He's clearly the surprise of the season. Both McFadden and Okereke might just be the best ILBs the Giants have had in a long time if we look at 3/4 Defenses.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 20, 2023, 10:16:49 AMI would suggest if you want to post stories from fake accounts, you just qualify it as such.   I would say maybe 75% of fans are aware that the account is fake.  I don't care for the account as there is nothing in the account that makes it clear it's a parody account and as a result, I have seen more than a few fans and even pundits/media people get taken in.

Still, as long as everyone knows it's fake, the humor is certainly welcome.

This is the third time someone posted one of his tweets here and we've discussed it each time. In all fairness to DB, he's on here more than most of us and reads everything. I don't think he posted it because he was duped. This one was especially ridiculous.