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Quote from: kingm56 on November 28, 2023, 06:37:29 AMI suspect he would improve on par with Peterson, Sanchez, Detmer, and Hoying...other QBs with physical attributes that failed under Andy Reid. The HC ability to overcome physical and mental short-comings is very limited.  Even the veteran players such as Vick, Bradford, and Smith did not tangibly improve under Reids' direction. They all remained within their perspective tier groups.   It's also not lost on me that prior to pairing with Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid was considered a good coach, who couldn't win big games.  Now he's considered an all-time great HC and QB whisper.  It's the same paradigm as Tom Brady and Bill B, or Kelly and our own Brian Daboll.  In short, I submit Andy Reid would fail to significantly alter DJ's trajectory as the QB is more important to the coach, than the coach to the QB.   

I'd like to pose the following question to anyone who cares to answer:  why do fans believe coaching can tangibility alter a veteran players' trajectory, when 99.9% of the data proves it's unlikely?  I can't think of a single example of a below average QB, who started 60 games, that was transformed into a sustained above average/PB starter, simply by changing coaches.  Yet, we continue to talk about coaching and 'the system' as if they make tangible differences on veteran QB's careers.  Why? I think fans overcomplicate football; coaching is not the impetus for DJ failures, he's failing because he lacks the attributes to succeed. As JC stated, he just not very good. IMO, it really is that simple. 

https://www.milehighreport.com/platform/amp/2016/4/22/11477522/veteran-nfl-qbs-who-got-better-after-changing-teams

Quote from: MagicRat on November 28, 2023, 12:56:16 AMI think everyone, in every high profile sport, reads too much into pressers.
Schoen's talking without saying anything here.
There's so much water to flow under so many bridges before next off-season, predicting anything accurately is a crap shoot.
Both in terms of draft placement and potential draft targets.

And anyway, we're only two games (and a few tie break scenarios) out of a wild card.
Who's to say Devito to Hyatt doesn't carry us on the wildest post season run ever....

Nurse......nurse......I'm hearing the voices again......

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 28, 2023, 06:25:05 AMNo, perhaps not.

But how do you think a fan base with a team whose QBs are Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe are feeling right now knowing they're presently in the two spot in a year with at least two elite QB prospects?

I suspect if Bill is still there he will take the most accurate arm with the cerebral brain.

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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 27, 2023, 07:26:55 PMNo, but I'm 1/4 Italian, so maybe I should feel some degree of emotion about it.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 27, 2023, 07:06:09 PMIt's hard to imagine getting this emotional about the likes of Tommy DeVito in the midst of a 4-8 Giants season.

You're not from NJ, are you?

Quote from: Woody on November 27, 2023, 05:29:59 PMI have been critical of him in past but he does seem to be getting it lately and playing much much better


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and he does a heck of a snow angel.

Quote from: Woody on November 27, 2023, 05:11:08 PMI don't know a whole lot about the Quarterbacks on the list .....but ima e watched Maye a few times.   Not impressed.
Williams real deal seen him a few times.....Bo Nix for me!


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that was posted Oct 31st. Maye's star has fallen since then. At this point in time, I like Daniels and Nix. That will possibly change after this weekend. I love the skills in Calib but he's no good for NY. JJ moved up my chart.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 27, 2023, 04:22:17 PMJones is not a good qb, he wasn't at Duke, and he hasn't been in the NFL. You can't develop someone that's lacking everything mentally to play the position he plays. Yes he's tough but beyond that he can't process, and still habitually makes the same rookie mistakes.

I'd argue Jones was so bad he made the offense look significantly worse than it actually was this year.

Still, I would like to see what Andy Reid would do with DJ.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 27, 2023, 05:01:33 PMDB: Wait a while on Robinson. I saw examples of the type of plays they plan on using him for in the future.

It's something that has been missing from the Giants for a long time.

They could use Saquon for the same plays but he attracts too much attention from opponents (for good reason).

I predict you'll change your mind about Robinson before the end of this season. Crossing my fingers.

Bob

They need to get this kid in open space. I've seen him flash and I like what I see. I would like to see him in a weight training program after the season and add ten pounds and then he could be a beast.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 27, 2023, 03:31:38 PMAgreed. And yet the Pats' coaching staff apparently thought an aerial based attack made the most sense in this game.

Interesting.

Very interesting.

The entire Defensive Interior. No arguments from me. All three were abysmal.