Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: LennG on September 23, 2023, 12:30:28 PMOK, Ed. Maybe  I wasn't clear. I don't think Jones was intentionally throwing soft easy passes just to pad his stats, but it seems as if that is his motif if you know what I mean. He is a lot more comfortable with a throw like that than hanging in there and making a better play. PLUS, if you remember during the game, they had a stat on the TV about Jones and his passing while under duress (I think it was something like 2-8) and while not under duress which was something like 12-16. So if he was able to throw 12 passes not under duress and had completions with them, they all were under 10 yards. Add to that, Purdy was rushed the entire game, something like 80% of his drop-backs, yet he fired off several long passes to his WRs that were caught or had a PI on them. Purdy has all of 10 games of experience, yet he trusts his WRs to catch something he throws up. This is Jones's 5th year and we still are talking the same old, same old, every week. Purdey is making the absolute minimum for an NFL player. Yet Jones is making 40 Mil a year and he can't throw a deep pass to a more than speedy WR? Really, something is wrong with this scenario.

Ok, you have a good point there. Jones' YPA for this game was a little over 4. Just a couple of stats, that I know you hate. Aggressiveness for Purdy was 16.2% and Jones was just 6.3% so to your point, Purdy was more aggressive and threw into tight windows. Air yards to sticks show the distance to the first down marker and if the QB is counting on his receiver to get YAC to get the first down. Jones was closer with -3.9 and Purdy -5.1 yards. Completed air yards were close. Jones 3.4 and Purdy 4, as Purdy threw a lot of short swing and screen passes. So Purdy was more aggressive but his players gained over 200 yards after catch. I recall Jones was like 40. Deebo had an average of 13.3 YAC and Kittle had 7 average YAC. WDR- 2.9, Slayton- 1, Waller- 2.3 and Campbell- .5 YAC.

Aside from all that, Purdy got rid of the ball faster and his pressure was nowhere near the same that Jones had.   

I think you can see that Purdy had by far the better Receivers that day and Jones had dropped and deflected passes.

I agree with you that there were open receivers that Jones failed to throw to. There weren't that many though.

I can't believe I'm defending Daniel Jones. Rich, where are you? Isn't this your job? lol

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving/2023/REG/3#yards
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2023/REG/3#average-intended-yards

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 23, 2023, 11:59:38 AMI don't feel that way at all. This wasn't about one unit not getting the job done. This team was better than ours from front to back. We don't have guys like Kittle, Bosa, Deebo, Warner, McCaffrey etc on our team. They do. They're simply way more talented on both sides of the ball than we are. Most of us acknowledged that before this game, and I don't feel any differently afterwards.

Can you imagine if Aiyuk played?

Quote from: Sem on September 23, 2023, 11:44:34 AMI assume they started Lemieux to help establish the run. But when they abandoned the run I fully expected to see a change made. It never was which perplexed me.

Is he a better run blocker than Glowinski? IDK, we haven't see Lemieux since 2021 and he wasn't good then.

Quote from: BluesCruz on September 23, 2023, 11:33:19 AMDid you think they were?  I understand at their weight and playing up the middle its hard to get to the QB
but I saw many plays where both were moved aside for McCaffery.

The money they are getting paid they both should be dominant not just OK.  Oh well the schedule eases up a bit now.  Its time to regroup and move up in the standings.  Im optomistic we can return to 2022 form.

I'm dying to see Grey at RB.  Hope he gets a series this coming game.  If we had kept Richie James there would be no fear of using our return man on regular downs. Who is backing up Grey as a returner?

They have gap assignments and the ILBs fill the open gaps. Also are you sure on those plays they weren't Sub'd out? Look at the snap counts. PFF isolates every player for each of their snaps.

An excellent breakdown. Shows his good and sloppy plays and poor decisions, how Receivers were schemed, how he dealt with the Blitz and identified the Hot Read, how shifts and play action froze Olinemen and brought up the Giants Linebackers to open up space. It's only 34 minutes long and I highly recommend it.

Quote from: BluesCruz on September 23, 2023, 09:36:39 AMThere has to be something wrong with these ratings

McFadden played the game of his life and was all over the field- he's a goat?

By that measure the much heralded Bobby O would be a lizard....this guy was supposed to solve all our MLB problem  NOT!!!!  3 games now I have never heard his name mentioned on any play

Also Williams and Lawrence should return their game checks for the reason- non-performance

Sean Lemeiux?  was it old timers night? give me a brake

Williams and Lawrence were graded Elite.

Quote from: GloryDays on September 23, 2023, 02:50:24 AMI like Daboll but his answer to some of the questions are disappointing.. for example, he gets questioned why was Glowinski, after having a good game, replaced by LeMiou (who crapped on the field) and his reply was nowhere near an answer why!! He said we looked at .... and just decided ( to make that mistake)!
Almost the same Q and A about Hyatt and not giving him enough snaps....

And he never yanked him in the second half.

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Quote from: LennG on September 22, 2023, 07:36:32 PMWhy? Elaberate.

Because you accused him of making plays that look good on a stat sheet as if that's his intention, Lenn.

Watching the All-22, I'm able to see much more because I get two views of every play. One showing the entire field and one from behind the Line. I'm at around the mid third quarter and I can see that Jones missed a few plays where if he hung in there, he could have hit Hyatt twice downfield and a couple of high low options where he went low with the high open. On other plays however, the Receivers were either covered, the Oline broke down and he had to leave the pocket or hurry the throw or he was sacked, or the play call was to an intended Receiver.

He wasn't shell shocked this game. Quite frankly, the Oline played poorly even putting aside the lack of a running game. They whiffed in pass protection and run blocking. Many plays were designed for short throws.

You know that if I see DJ played a bad game, I wouldn't hold back as I have many times. This wasn't all on him. And he certainly wasn't intentionally taking the easy out. They would have been difficult throws or he just didn't see them before they developed and the other option was open. The thing with Hyatt, is he looks covered until he's down field and then he makes a move and accelerates to gain separation. I have to say, most QB's would have done the same thing if not all. It's going to have to take a leap of faith as the Rush is bearing down and then decide which way he's going to cut to throw the ball before he's actually open downfield. Eventually when they get on the same page through experience, they will be a lethal combination. But if the line doesn't hold up to give him the time to make an accurate throw, it's going to be tough.

Quote from: LennG on September 22, 2023, 05:20:52 PMI saw that play as well. All he had to do was hoist one up and let Hyatt run under it. Maybe Jones is shell-shocked from all the abuse, but he is being paid big-time money, not to look for easy 5-yard gains which look good on the score sheet, but not on the scoreboard.

That's an unfair statement, Lenn.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 22, 2023, 08:13:21 AMSome players are special in terms of their ability to make things happen.  The Giants have two such players in Hyatt and Simmons.  Yet here were their snap counts from last night:

Hyatt 16 32%

Simmons 25 30%

They also need to give Hyatt other routes to run so he can be a larger part of this Offense. If they limit him to Go Routes and Posts, it reduces his playing time. Watch the All 22 when it's available. The Niners locked down the deep passes because there was no running game. The pass rush that ensued as a result gave Jones no time to wait for any deep pass to get open.

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