Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Rambo89 on September 23, 2023, 05:31:22 PMIf it's always about what's around Daniel Jones and never about him then it tells me he's not ever going to be elite.  Yes, he has proven he can be a solid average QB.  He's not awful but not great.

Difference between the guys you mentioned and Jones is that Jones has better physical skills than they do but his pocket awareness and instincts are just as lacking as theirs were.  I hate to tell John Mara but no matter how much he tries to find the next Eli looking for a QB with a similar personality there is only one Eli.  Find a QB with the full skill set rather than another Eli.

Properly protected, like Eli was in 2007 and 2008, Daniel Jones is the better QB than Eli in the regular season. It remains to be seen what the post season unfolds. Even Eli crapped out in win or out playoff games. The jury is still out.

Quote from: DragonSoul on September 23, 2023, 04:29:30 PMHmm, maybe the protection had something to do with it as well as the play calling. Same in Arizona, conservative first half & opened it up 2nd half.

Think most asked why they were dinking and dunking nearly all game. Then again, look at out oline starters and their experience. Not hard to figure out why, unfortunately.

Exactly, he followed a game plan and he didn't call the plays or the personnel groups.

https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/news/49ers-defense-mocked-daniel-jones-after-loss

Quote from: beaugestus on September 22, 2023, 02:26:47 PMLet me preface this by saying I am not an Xs and Os guy. And I realize that many of the mistakes made could be due to inexperience. I was happy when they hired him and last year, they were one of the best redzone Ds in the league. But the scores and yardage given up last year and this year, I find it's concerning. Many on the team were enthusiastic about his hiring with the aggressiveness, but maybe being an old Giant fan spoiled with the likes of LT, Strahan, Carson, Banks and Osi who overwhelmed the man across from them. Right now, we have a disenchanted Thibs and an oft injured Ojulari.

Bobby Skinner posted on twitter they are vulnerable to screens which makes sense when you are rushing with 6. cpmments are welcome.

Watch the QB Coach Podcast I put up on Purdy. He mentioned twice that he didn't know what the heck the Giants were thinking with all those blitzes opening up the Hot Read, which btw Purdy excels at.

Quote from: Sem on September 23, 2023, 01:15:55 PMWhat other possible reason could there have been since he's proven to be the human turnstile in pass-pro.

He hired a private investigator to follow Kafka and is blackmailing him?

Just a quick point. Deebo, Kittle, and CMC earned their YACatch and YAContact. There was poor tackling but they played a monster game and they deserve credit. If it was the other way around and Breda, Waller and Slayton had those numbers, we would be      all over the place. 

Quote from: LennG on September 23, 2023, 12:30:28 PMOK, Ed. Maybe  I wasn't clear. I don't think Jones was intentionally throwing soft easy passes just to pad his stats, but it seems as if that is his motif if you know what I mean. He is a lot more comfortable with a throw like that than hanging in there and making a better play. PLUS, if you remember during the game, they had a stat on the TV about Jones and his passing while under duress (I think it was something like 2-8) and while not under duress which was something like 12-16. So if he was able to throw 12 passes not under duress and had completions with them, they all were under 10 yards. Add to that, Purdy was rushed the entire game, something like 80% of his drop-backs, yet he fired off several long passes to his WRs that were caught or had a PI on them. Purdy has all of 10 games of experience, yet he trusts his WRs to catch something he throws up. This is Jones's 5th year and we still are talking the same old, same old, every week. Purdey is making the absolute minimum for an NFL player. Yet Jones is making 40 Mil a year and he can't throw a deep pass to a more than speedy WR? Really, something is wrong with this scenario.

Ok, you have a good point there. Jones' YPA for this game was a little over 4. Just a couple of stats, that I know you hate. Aggressiveness for Purdy was 16.2% and Jones was just 6.3% so to your point, Purdy was more aggressive and threw into tight windows. Air yards to sticks show the distance to the first down marker and if the QB is counting on his receiver to get YAC to get the first down. Jones was closer with -3.9 and Purdy -5.1 yards. Completed air yards were close. Jones 3.4 and Purdy 4, as Purdy threw a lot of short swing and screen passes. So Purdy was more aggressive but his players gained over 200 yards after catch. I recall Jones was like 40. Deebo had an average of 13.3 YAC and Kittle had 7 average YAC. WDR- 2.9, Slayton- 1, Waller- 2.3 and Campbell- .5 YAC.

Aside from all that, Purdy got rid of the ball faster and his pressure was nowhere near the same that Jones had.   

I think you can see that Purdy had by far the better Receivers that day and Jones had dropped and deflected passes.

I agree with you that there were open receivers that Jones failed to throw to. There weren't that many though.

I can't believe I'm defending Daniel Jones. Rich, where are you? Isn't this your job? lol

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving/2023/REG/3#yards
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2023/REG/3#average-intended-yards

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 23, 2023, 11:59:38 AMI don't feel that way at all. This wasn't about one unit not getting the job done. This team was better than ours from front to back. We don't have guys like Kittle, Bosa, Deebo, Warner, McCaffrey etc on our team. They do. They're simply way more talented on both sides of the ball than we are. Most of us acknowledged that before this game, and I don't feel any differently afterwards.

Can you imagine if Aiyuk played?

Quote from: Sem on September 23, 2023, 11:44:34 AMI assume they started Lemieux to help establish the run. But when they abandoned the run I fully expected to see a change made. It never was which perplexed me.

Is he a better run blocker than Glowinski? IDK, we haven't see Lemieux since 2021 and he wasn't good then.

Quote from: BluesCruz on September 23, 2023, 11:33:19 AMDid you think they were?  I understand at their weight and playing up the middle its hard to get to the QB
but I saw many plays where both were moved aside for McCaffery.

The money they are getting paid they both should be dominant not just OK.  Oh well the schedule eases up a bit now.  Its time to regroup and move up in the standings.  Im optomistic we can return to 2022 form.

I'm dying to see Grey at RB.  Hope he gets a series this coming game.  If we had kept Richie James there would be no fear of using our return man on regular downs. Who is backing up Grey as a returner?

They have gap assignments and the ILBs fill the open gaps. Also are you sure on those plays they weren't Sub'd out? Look at the snap counts. PFF isolates every player for each of their snaps.

An excellent breakdown. Shows his good and sloppy plays and poor decisions, how Receivers were schemed, how he dealt with the Blitz and identified the Hot Read, how shifts and play action froze Olinemen and brought up the Giants Linebackers to open up space. It's only 34 minutes long and I highly recommend it.

Quote from: BluesCruz on September 23, 2023, 09:36:39 AMThere has to be something wrong with these ratings

McFadden played the game of his life and was all over the field- he's a goat?

By that measure the much heralded Bobby O would be a lizard....this guy was supposed to solve all our MLB problem  NOT!!!!  3 games now I have never heard his name mentioned on any play

Also Williams and Lawrence should return their game checks for the reason- non-performance

Sean Lemeiux?  was it old timers night? give me a brake

Williams and Lawrence were graded Elite.

Quote from: GloryDays on September 23, 2023, 02:50:24 AMI like Daboll but his answer to some of the questions are disappointing.. for example, he gets questioned why was Glowinski, after having a good game, replaced by LeMiou (who crapped on the field) and his reply was nowhere near an answer why!! He said we looked at .... and just decided ( to make that mistake)!
Almost the same Q and A about Hyatt and not giving him enough snaps....

And he never yanked him in the second half.

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