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Three times Maye was available for the Giants at 5, which was weird because it's hard to believe dropped to 5 and also, how are the Giants at 5? One time Harrison Jr was the second WR off the board.

Also, the trade offers were insane. In one of the mocks I ended up with two number 1 picks in 2025

He doesn't process fast enough and doesn't throw with anticipation. These windows to throw are fractions of a second. Oftentimes, they can only be anticipated because you really don't have enough time to actually see anyone open. Jones will only throw the ball if the receiver is wide open, a kind of open that is uncommon in the the NFL and the window for these opportunities closes real quick. Hesitate and you're lost. Jones is always hesitating.

I think we had all noticed a while ago that Jones' indecisiveness and willingness to throw the ball was the biggest problem

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 08, 2023, 12:31:09 PMA punt deflected by the receiving team that goes past the LOS according the Uni has to be possessed and then lose possession for the kicking team to recover the ball. So if the ball is tipped slightly and it travels 45 yards, then it hits the leg of the receiving team, the kicking team can't recover unless it was possessed and lost? I'm still not clear.

Once the ball leaves the foot of the punter and makes it past the line of scrimmage (the actual distance and whomever touched it behind the LOS is immaterial), it is in the possession of the receiving team UNLESS it is first touched by a member of the receiving team in which case the ball is live. In this case, it does not require full possession, the ball can simply glance off of a receiving player.

This also means if the kicking team touches it and the receiving team touches it thereafter, the ball still goes to the receiving team. So if the kicking team touches the ball first and the returner  tries to pick it up but ends up batting it before gaining possession, it's still the receiving team ball.

Quote from: Bob In PA on December 08, 2023, 11:41:57 AMUni: I like the way you explain it better than mine, but it's not really "free"  because (as you said) if the kicking team picks it up and fails to advance it beyond the 1st-down marker, they STILL lose possession (assuming it was punted on 4th down).

It is a "free" ball in that anyone can take possession. If the punt were on third down, the kicking team would keep possession if they recovered the blocked punt. Or the kicking team can recover and then run for a first down (which I've never seen happen). So in both instances, the kicking team does not lose possession of the ball after a blocked punt that is behind the LOS.

The misconception from the broadcast was that he was the head of security, implying he was the head of security at the Linc. He's the chief security officer for the Eagles, which is not the same thing.

I saw the hit and it did not look particularly savage. It wasn't even a headshot, it seemed to have happened when his head bounced off the ground.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 08, 2023, 11:24:32 AMSo it's different than a normal punt where if it touches the receiving team, the kicking team can recover. I thought last night that the ball wasn't recovered so I guess the receiving team must have downed it and they didn't show it. Or I got it mixed up.

If the punt goes past the line of scrimmage, all punt possession rules apply even though technically the receiving team touched it first when they partially blocked it. If it stays behind the line of scrimmage, then it's a free ball.

I've never seen either scenarios happen, but if they punt on third down and the kicking team recovers a blocked punt behind the line of scrimmage, it's fourth down for the kicking team at the spot of the recovery and possession does not go to the receiving team. Or if the kicking team recovers the blocked punt and then runs it past the first down marker, it's first down for the kicking team.

Technically, it's only a blocked punt it is never gets past the line of scrimmage, otherwise it's just a punt.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 08, 2023, 09:15:31 AMThe reason I asked was how they called the game last night on a blocked punt and seemed to have called it before a possession.

I don't remember the play because (shocker) I nodded off multiple times throughout the game. For 10-15 minutes at times.

They jumped the gun only a little -- if the receiving team recovered the blocked punt and took possession then fumbled it before being down by contact, it's a live ball again and it would be first down if the kicking recovered it. But if there's a scrum and everyone is already on the ground there's no way this could happen.

So the only result would be downed by the receiving team or turnover on downs by the kicking team.

Quote from: T200 on December 08, 2023, 08:56:20 AMOnce the ball is blocked by the defense, it becomes a live ball. Travel distance and how ever many people touch it, whether offense (kicking team) or defense (receiving team), is inconsequential.

This isn't accurate, punts are partially blocked but make it past the LOS all the time. Once that happens, they can only be downed by the kicking team and not recovered (unless the receiving team touches it past the LOS first, then it's a live ball).

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 08, 2023, 08:42:44 AMcan you restate using kicking and receiving terms.

When you said the Offense punts, I was just going by your terminology 

BTW, it is a free ball if it's blocked and stays behind the LOS. However, recovery by the kicking team behind the LOS on fourth down would result in a turnover on downs. If the kicking team recovered the punt behind the LOS and made it past the first down marker, it would be a first down for the kicking team.

If the ball stays behind the LOS, it's a free ball. Once the ball makes it past the LOS, all the normal punt return rules apply.  If it touches the defense first, it will go to the offense. If the offense touches it first, it's a free ball.

Being on the Giants hurt Dex, he'll get in when the player and coach votes are factored in.

I see a lot of posts with the opinion that Jones will start next year "because they're paying him so much money". But if that is the logic on who plays, then why is DeVito starting over Taylor?

Good to see the team not falling prey to sunk cost fallacy.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on December 04, 2023, 11:50:48 AMIs that how the QB was injured?

Correct