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I guess that means that they aren't as concerned at corner as the fans are. He's a really good safety even if he's a rodent.

When I read stories about young athletes passing it's always incredibly sad. I hope for his family's sake that it was of natural causes. Losing someone that young is soul crushing to loved ones. Losing someone that young to drugs or suicide is it's own special type of hell.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on April 26, 2024, 02:17:11 PMSlayton is a mid-level wide receiver. He is not a game changing guy, just a solid supplementary piece. No team is moving from 34 to 47 to get that kind of player. The Toney example is completely different because he was in the second year of his rookie deal and under contract for at least 2.5 more years.

So you'd be fine burning a second round draft pick on a head case, with an injury history and no proven track record simply because he's on a rookie deal but dropping 15 spots to get a solid NFL starter, who's been a good teammate is a bridge too far?

Quote from: londonblue on April 26, 2024, 01:12:04 PMI'd only consider it for DeJean or McKinstry and only if we have clean medical evaluations on them. We have bigger needs at CB/NCB than G IMO.

Maybe but none of us knows how the staff feel about Flott and Hawkins. If they really like the both of them than we don't really have a need do we?

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 26, 2024, 01:11:17 PMI've watched a lot of film on him and visited other boards. Two teams have been aggressively discussing why he's the perfect fit for their team (Cowboys and Eagles). Cowboy fans want to pair him with Parsons, and Eagles biggest needs are all in the defensive backfield and need a LB who can get to the QB after losing Reddick

Personally, I don't want my team facing him twice a year and watching him terrorize us

We seem to lead the league in games missed by starters due to injury. Drafting a player who has suffered two significant knee injuries is a pretty good of making sure we remain at the top of that list regardless of when the injuries occurred. IMHO he isn't worth the risk. You think he is. We'll see how he works out for whoever drafts him.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on April 26, 2024, 12:28:28 PMI think you are greatly underestimating the value of a rookie contract. It's not just about their immediate impact. It's about the fact that he is a pending FA and whoever you could potentially draft at 34 would be making peanuts relative to what you'd have to pay Slayton and Slayton isn't even a game changer. He's a solid #3 receiver and an ok #2, but you'd be lucky to get a day 3 pick for somebody of that stature.

No not at all. Slayton is a nice receiver who isn't going to command big money. If he hasn't realized that by now he isn't paying attention. Being a starter in New England has got to be far more preferable than coming off the bench somewhere and if he tries to overplay his hand that's exactly what gonna happen. For the guys telling me I'm dead wrong what did Schoen get for that head case Toney who hadn't, even established himself a being a starter in this league, let alone a third guy?

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 26, 2024, 01:00:47 PMHe'll never last to the 5th. His injury history is not recent, but back in his HS and early college career. He's healthy now, but of course there's a risk. He's dynamic! Micah Parsons dynamic. Paired with Okereke would make a devastating backside to the DL. His speed, instant acceleration, ridiculous athleticism, uncanny nose for the ball, and vicious tackling are elite. If not for his injuries a few years ago, he'd be in the top 15 in the draft. Even with the injuries, he's been ranked as high as 17th on some boards. He's a once-in-a-lifetime LB. Is he worth the risk? I believe so

I've seen him go from the right sideline, all the way to the left sideline to tackle a RB (see attached clip). I've seen him chase down X-receivers on breakaways. And his ability to laser-focus to the ball is uncanny. He is going to be a legend in the NFL

I didn't say he'd last till the fifth. I said I wouldn't pick him till the fifth. A big difference, no?

Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 26, 2024, 12:18:19 PMI don't disagree and love Powers-Johson.  I think he could turn a position into a strength rather than an adequate player. Right now there is still a bunch of question marks outside of Thomas

Just not sure that Schoen and company will prioritize IOL over some other needs. I assume they have some confidence in the guys they signed.

One of the things that is liberating about being as bad as we were last year is that you could pick any position and improve your team. It's just a question of how the Giants feel about fixing the quarterback going forward. As we stand today the defense is clearly more talented than the offense. Corner and DT make sense here too but they've already used our second round pick to greatly improve this defense. Using a second round pick to improve the offense is reasonable IMHO.

Quote from: GloryDays on April 26, 2024, 12:05:58 PMThere are a bunch of Receivers still available, like McConkey (I can't believe no one took him yet!) that have a pretty high floor and much more upside than Slayton. The only reason they would consider that is if they are eying a different position and they think that player should be there at 47.

You're missing the point. Other the JuJu Smith Schuster they have no starting caliber receivers in that room. The draft is so deep at receiver that there will still be a good receiver available at 47. If they make this trade and draft a receiver at 47 they can give Maye three guys to work with. If they don't they won't. Hopefully teams are learning from the Giants that it's a fools errand to draft a quarterback in the top ten and then deny him having a group of solid receivers to work with. Tell me how the Pats can end up with three solid receivers for Maye?

Quote from: Stringer Bell on April 26, 2024, 11:41:04 AMYou'd be lucky to get a 7th rounder for Slayton. Pats would never make this trade.

Look at the Patriots receiver room and tell me that they would have zero interest in a guy who managed to put up 770 yards and four touchdowns while being targeted by guys like DeVito and Taylor. He isn't nearly as bad as your post implies he is. They also would get pick 47 and there will still be good receivers available if they want to continue to add to that group.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 26, 2024, 11:16:13 AMI like Powers-Johnson but do the Giants see IOL as a position of need?

My whole premise is that you want to build the offense to the point that you can go all in on a quarterback in 2025 and have the pieces around him to maximize his chances of success. The starting line currently looks like Thomas-Runyan-JMS-Eluemuno—Neal. After that we have no quality depth and Neal has been awful. If Neal doesn't improve quickly I could see the Giants benching him and kicking Eluemuno outside and opening a need for someone who is better than Ezudu at guard.

I understand in doing that you lose the chance to draft a starting corner but you hope that between Thibs, Dex, Burns and Okereke that you can create enough pressure to protect Banks, Flott and Hawkins. Not a perfect solution but at the end of the day there are no silver bullets available.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on April 26, 2024, 11:21:09 AMI would make this trade in a heartbeat, but the Patriots never would. You'd have to add more. There's just way too much wide receiver talent left in this class for the Pats to move back 13 spots just to get a non-elite receiver who is due for a payday.

That's true but if they stay at pick 34 there is no guarantee that he will turn into a solid pro and with this trade they get a good receiver who will be good day one and they will have pick 47 to add a lineman or running back to give Maye an even better shot of succeeding. If we have to trade our fourth round pick in return for the Pats fifth round pick to sweeten the pot I won't complain.

The Patriots receiver room is bad and Slayton is a solid pro who can start day one for them. Having just used the 3rd pick overall on a quarterback they need to get him veteran help now not next year.

Slayton on the other hand has no future in NY beyond this season so there's a fit both ways and there are a two really good players Kool Aid McKinstry and Jackson Powers-Johnson who play positions of need who won't last to 47.

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 26, 2024, 10:52:47 AMIt's going to be interesting because Schoen is not afraid to move around the chess board. If there's a player he really wants, he'll trade up and if he sees that there isn't great value, he's liable to trade down and add some draft stock

I believe there are a few players left on the board that Schoen craves, and he's a good enough poker player to get what he wants. For me, I'd trade up to get OG Jackson Powers-Johnson who I believe is a better guard than Graham Barton who went in the first. JPJ manhandled the best pass rushers that the Senior Bowl could throw at him. He DOMINATED them over and over. I'm still a little shocked he's still on the board

If the Giants stand pat again, I'd be happy with the best CB (Max Melton, Cooper DeJean [although he's more of a nickel back], Mike Sanistrail??), or a DT, someone like Kris Jenkins, or Braden Fiske

And I'd do my happy dance if they drafted LB Payton Wilson, who I think is the most exciting defensive player in the entire draft

Wilson is a fun player to watch but he's torn his ACL twice and because of that I wouldn't use a pick on him before the 5th round. The last thing we need as fans is a player who oozes potential but is always hurt.

This team still has a ways to go to get back to where we want to be but three years ago the only Giant you could point to and say that he has pro bowl/all pro potential was Barkley. At that point Lawrence was still a bit of a disappointment.

Today is a completely different story.  We have guys like Thomas, Okereke, Lawrence, Burns and Thibs who are at that level or are on the cusp of being in that discussion. Then we have several young guys (Nabers, Hyatt and Banks) who have the physical tools to develop into outstanding NFL players but the school is still out on. Now if we can only find a quarterback....

The point of this post is that I understand why some posters feel lost and frustrated that we aren't improving but we are. The level of talent on the roster is the best it's been in close to a decade. It isn't being felt yet due to poor quarterback play or age but you can't deny that we've accumulated some really nice pieces.