Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Giant Jim on January 26, 2024, 12:37:35 PMIf they bring Belichick in, they should get rid of Schoen and DaBoll. They'd be in a situation where they'd be looking over their shoulders after every debatable decision or loss. Belichick would be viewed as a coach-in-waiting, everyone knows he wants to coach again and would probably want full control when he slides over to be head coach. They did this the last time the team was in total chaos when they hired the most successful head coach from the WFL, John McVay, to a made up job title, only to succeed Bill Arnsbarger in the middle of his first season here. Either Schoen and DaBoll go or continue to run the team as they see fit and try to stabilize this team that has been so poorly run for so many years. Owners need to support their management or find new they believe in, not undermine it.

 I fully agree Jim, Just the idea of bringing in a BB, back to NY would probably make him giffy.  He just LOVES to bring in all those old Giants and who cares how it works out.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on January 26, 2024, 02:06:11 PMI can't stress this enough, but you don't force positions in the draft, especially at QB. That's literally how we ended up with Jones to begin with. The Giants likely won't be able to get any of the top 3 QBs and if they don't like the second tier guys (McCarthy, Penix, Nix) then don't force it.

Sorry but the days of BPA should have ended a long time ago. When you have needs, you simply need to address them.

And how, at 6, did we force Jones onto this team? Jones was Gettleman's choice long before we moved up the mike to announce our pick. Most had Jones going mid to late rd 1, or even early round 2. I think that was Jones's biggest prpblem, his #5 draft #.

As has been said, all the potential first-round picks all have some warts. And, that is at the college level. When I hear ball security issues, to me, that is a huge red flag. Once a guy is known for that, he is relentlessly hounded at giving up the ball. When I read need to work on accuracy, I also cringe. I always thought accuracy was a natural trait and could not be taught. You can improve the mechanics, but when a guy isn't accurate in college, he sure will be the same way in the NFL where the rush is always there and you just need to get rid of the ball quickly. I also cringe a bit at thinking maybe one of these guys, who they say has to get rid of the ball quicker, were on the Giants, he would end up getting killed here.
And then with all the hoopla, a guy like Purdy comes along and who gives a darn what was said about him on paper?

Quote from: Painter on January 26, 2024, 04:01:04 PMThe following is a look head assessment not an analysis or comparison of Daniel Jones in retrospect. In this particular Walter Football instance, can we find instruction despite our now firmly entrenched biases concerning the Giants pre-2019 Draft and more importantly the accuracy of all such predicates of the kind of which we can expect to be deluged in the next three months?


Daniel Jones Scouting Report
By Charlie Campbell

Ha, a lot they know.            

Strengths:
Above-average accuracy
Can throw a fastball into tight windows
Good height
Able to loft in touch passes
Throws a very catchable ball
Stands tall in the pocket despite the rush
Good field vision at times
Moves his eyes
Works through his progression
Can throw receivers open
Can push the ball downfield
Throws a good deep ball
Has more mobility than many realize
Can buy time or pick up yards on the ground
Good size for a NFL starting quarterback
Intelligent
Shows the ability to read defenses
Knows where his receivers are on each play
Upside

Weaknesses:
Will throw into coverage that he shouldn't
Needs to improve timing
Holds the ball too long
Could shorten his delivery
Broken collarbone in 2018


Summary: Duke's head coach, David Cutcliffe, is one of the most valued and respected quarterback gurus in football. He was the coaching mentor to both Peyton and Eli Manning, and at Duke, Cutcliffe provided Jones very good preparation for the NFL over his three years as the Blue Devils' starting quarterback.

As a freshman, Jones connected on 63 percent of his passes for 2,836 yards with 16 touchdowns and nine interceptions. In 2017, he completed 56 percent of his passes for 2,439 yards with 12 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. Jones had his best season in 2018, despite dealing with some injuries. He completed 61 percent of his passes on the year for 2,674 yards with 22 touchdowns and nine interceptions. Many around the league thought Jones would return for his redshirt senior year, but he decided to jump to the next level and declared for the 2019 NFL Draft.

There is a lot to like about Jones, and he has the potential to be a franchise quarterback with his ability to be a pro-style pocket passer. Jones has a strong arm and can really spin the ball. That was clearly seen by area scouts and the rest of the league at the Senior Bowl. Jones has the ability to make all the throws needed for the NFL. He can loft in touch passes downfield and throw some fastballs into tight windows. Jones is very good at putting air underneath his touch passes to drop them in the bucket and throws a very catchable ball.

Jones has been well prepared for the NFL, as he is an intelligent signal-caller. In speaking to one NFC general manager, they really liked how Jones knew where all of his receivers would be and was able to move to them when he had to throw under duress. Jones has quality field vision and works beyond his primary read. He does a decent job of dissecting the coverage the defense is employing, and is able to manipulate coverage with his eyes.

In the face of a rush, Jones stands tall and keeps his eyes downfield while the rush closes in on him. While Jones is not a dynamic runner for the NFL, he does move around pretty well and can pick up some yards on the ground while also being able to buy time through scrambling. Additionally, Jones can make some nice throws on the run. Given the speed of pro defenders, Jones is not a true rushing threat, but he can be functional enough to dodge some sacks and pick up some yards on the ground when nothing is open downfield.

As a passer, Jones does have things to work on for the NFL. He can hold the ball too long and not pull the trigger fast enough. With the speed of pro defenses, Jones has to be more decisive and get the ball out faster when he has an open receiver. Jones' timing should improve with more experience and coaching. There were also too many times when Jones would force some throws into coverage. He can trust his arm too much and sometimes throws passes that he shouldn't. It also wouldn't hurt Jones to shorten his delivery, which will help him to be effective for the faster pro game with its smaller windows of time to complete passes. It would also help him by reducing the time for pass-rushers to get to him.

For the 2019 NFL Draft, Jones looks like a consensus first-round pick from speaking with team sources. He could become a franchise quarterback and be a good pro starter. Three general managers told me they thought that Jones would rise in the leadup to the draft and be the first quarterback taken. Regardless of if he is the initial signal-caller to go off the board, Jones should be a top-20 pick.


Player Comparison: Eli Manning. Jones has the look of a Manning with his strong arm, pocket presence, field vision, and passing polish. In terms of his flaws, Jones is more similar to Eli Manning than Peyton Manning.

Cheers!

Personally, I hate it.

Our biggest needs right now are NOT a Wide Receiver, though we need one eventually. Our biggest needs are
QB and OL, and they are simply not addressed at all. To wait until the 4th round to get an OLman is ridiculous. Unless we had the Ravens scouting staff, anyone picked in the 4th round is a huge question mark and we don't need more question marks we need starters.

And QB, even if Jones can go, with his neck issues he is one hit away from becoming a sportscaster in a booth somewhere. Even if he goes out and burns up the league, any hit on his neck could be the last we ever see of him so how can we put all our eggs in his basket? We need a new face at QB, and that is the #1 priority.

 Yeah, I traveled a lot and still am. Maybe that's what gave me the bug. When we travel to Europe these days I try and relive some of my past experiences with my wife. But, you have to realize, when I traveled while in the service, I was with a bunch of guys who really weren't looking for photos of attractions. We were looking for girls, getting laid and where can we get a drink of the local brew. Sure we saw a lot and did a lot, but what a group of GIs are looking for is a whole lot different from what an old married couple are looking for.           

 I remember when Kennedy became president. I have vivid memories of the Cuban Missile Crisis, where most people really didn't know how close we were to mass annihilation.  I can remember, like it was yesterday, when Kennedy was shot and killed, and his funeral after that. I was already in the service when Bobby was killed and MLK also. Just terrible things but being where we were, I guess we really didn't feel the effects as those who were in the States.

As you, I grew up, what we would call poor, these days. But we didn't think that way, as people do today. We managed. My Dad worked in some sort of defense plant and my Mom started working part time later on but we had what we had and needed. My parents, along with many folks from 'our block' saved their pennies and every summer, rented what was called a bungalow in the Rockaways (Queens). I tagged along for many years, on the beach every day, and I am paying for that dearly these days.

As I got well into HS, I refused to do that in the summer and found summer jobs in supermarkets, etc. I stayed in our apartment in Brooklyn with my Dad and he went to the bungalow on weekends and vacations. We rarely had family vacations as my parents wanted that bungalow so that's where the extra money went.

Listening to Madden talk while he was watching Harry Carson skulk around for just the right moment to dunk Parcels with that Gatorade bucket.

Priceless

Some of my memories are still of a teen (early 60s) who really got into that doo-wop sound. I graduated HS in '63 and was out in the workforce the next year. I was attending college at night. I hated school and was always outside playing some sort of sport. I was intelligent enough to whiz thru HS without ever really opening a book. I paid for that later on as I couldn't get into any college because my grades weren't high enough, so I tried night school. That lasted about a year. I had a job working for CBS in NYC. It was a menial job, but I got to see many TV shows for free and met several recording artists who were under the Columbia brand.
When the Beatles came around, I was hooked. In fact, my friends and I decided to go to the airport when then first flew into JFK, but they disembarked so far from a terminal it was impossible to see. My job got me a better look as they were staying at a hotel that wasn't far from where I worked, so I was able to get by barricades that were set up and I did get a glimpse of them hanging out the hotel window.

I had some really good friends and we formed our own baseball team and that took up a lot of my time. We were good and traveled around locally, playing and winning. But I was getting older, now at 20, I was called for the draft. I thought long and hard about being drafted and spending 2 years in the Army, or enlisting in the Air Force and spending 4 years at that. I guess it was because my recruiter promised me the world if I joined the Air Force, I went with that. I spent 1 month at Lackland AFB in Texas, 5 months at Amarillo AFB again in Texas, and then 3 years at Ramstein AFB in Germany.
Because of being overseas, I really missed out on much of what was happening in the USA and in other parts of the world. A lot of what you mentioned, I knew nothing about. Yes, we read in the Stars and Stripes (the Military paper), but when I left the US I had a crew cut and most of my friends did also. When I returned in 1969, I still had my crew cut but I was about the only one. I hardly recognized anyone as they all had long hair, beards, and 'stashes', and half were drugged out. A completely different world, and you know what, I never adopted to it. This was me, and I basically have remained me until this day.
I never regretted my time in the service, even though, when I did get home, I WAs literally spit on in Manhatten when I wore my uniform on a date. Never put that uniform on again. It wasn't cool to be a veteran back then, but my time in the service and in Germany was well spent. I got to see most of Europe, met some fantastic people, and went to some amazing places. I sat on the Spanish Steps in Rome, threw a coin in Trevi Fountain, and even saw the Pope at one of his audiences. I went to the top of the Eiffel Tower, walked into the very room where Anne Frank lived, sat in Picadilly Circus, and just watched the people hang out, watched the Changing of the Guards. I spent time on Carnaby Street (remember that in London). I saw 2001 in a huge movie theater in London, went to Hitler's retreat in Berchtesgaden, and walked across this path in the Alps where you walk from one country to another, 14,000 up above sea level. I drank beer at the Heineken Factory in Amsterdam, been to Bastogne and the Battle of the Bulge, and been to the cemetery where General Patton is buried. I have been to October Fest in Munich and spent a never-to-be-forgotten day touring the Dachau concentration Camp. My only regret was I never got to Berlin as it was in East Germany and it was hard for the military to go thru East Germany to get there.  I was even then, a student of WWII and I was able to get to places that I only read about in books. You have to understand, I was there in 1966 and it was only 20 years after the war ended. I had some good German friends but I was always hesitant about bringing up the war, Hitler et al. When it was, almost to a man, their answer was 'We knew nothing' (Remember Hogen's heroes and that line).
When I did get home in September of 1969, I got caught up in NY Mets fever as they were making a run for the pennant and then the World Series. It was so addictive being in NY, everyone was, all of a sudden, a Mets fan.

I remember sitting up in the middle of the night, to listen to the Jets beat the Colts in SBIII. I remember sitting up all night to watch Neil Armstrong walk on the moon. Most of our barracks stayed up for that one. At this time, I was what we called in the service 'short', meaning I was about to rotate back to the States. I only had about a month or so left on my tour, thus the meaning 'short', and being in that category, several of us were sort of kings of the barracks. We've been there almost 3 years and we knew it all. Good times though.

Some times, I do think back and think what I would have become if I was in college and didn't serve. Would I ahve become a long-haired hippy, or stayed my crew-cut ways?

Quote from: kartanoman on January 22, 2024, 02:21:58 PMThanks for starting this, Lenn. There should be nothing but wonderful memories for all of us, when discussing Giants' NFC Championship games they've played in, as they are 5-0 in this round of the playoffs in the Super Bowl era.

Every one of these games as its own unique story and precious memories surrounding it. I can talk all day about each game, which is burned vividly in my mind, but in short order this is a quick synopsis:

1986 NFC Championship: was a little disappointed it wasn't the Bears, as I wanted to see the Giants come full circle and have a retribution game with them coming into Giants Stadium, but I had a good feeling that they would beat the Redskins and they didn't disappoint. The wind and the flying paper everywhere is a spectacle that is a signature of the game which sent them to their very first Super Bowl ... just an amazing feeling for the first time saying the Giants are going to the Super Bowl; it was so odd to say it, that it almost didn't make sense after all the hard years that they, and we, had to go through to finally get there.

1990 NFC Championship: I was nervous about this one as all the talk was about the inevitable crowning of the 49ers as three-peat champions, best ever and Joe Montana was God, etc. Losing Phil Simms for the year, Rodney Hampton broke his ankle against the Bears the previous week and Jeff Hostetler was a backup QB who had never competed at this level before. I actually felt that the Hoss was going to give the Giants a running dimension which would help the offense as long as he could hit his receivers downfield. He not only did all of that, he showed toughness and courage in the same manner which Phil Simms had throughout his career and bounced back to make some of the biggest plays to give the Giants a chance to win it. But Leonard Marshall's notorious hit on Joe Montana still rings loud to this very day. Erik Howard's amazing play to cause Roger Craig to fumble, which LT recovered, set forth the game winning drive. Mark Bavaro, whose damaged knees had slowed him down, bravely got him open enough to make some big catches and advance the Giants into FG range. And then came Matt Bahr, from 42 yards out, who hit it just of reach of the 49ers' special teams players, and the ball drifted left until ... it crossed over the crossbar and the Giants pulled off the epic victory. As the players ran out onto the field and celebrated, Pat Summerall belted out the now famous line which underscores this unbelievable accomplishment, "THERE WILL BEEEEEE NOOO THREEEE_PEAT!!!!!!" Until Super Bowl XLII was in the books, this game went down as the greatest game in the long and storied history of the Football Giants and, in my opinion, Bill Parcells' greatest coaching effort which put him in the Hall of Fame. This win for the ages was so dramatic that it almost made the events in Super Bowl XXV, a week later, nearly anti-climactic.

2000 NFC Championship Game: the waving sea of white towels, the field of painted mud and the Giants jumping the Vikings before they knew what happened to them set the game in motion for a blowout and something we haven't been treated to since the 80s. The 41-0 conquest was a euphoric experience after a decade of ups and downs and changes from the end of the Parcells era.

2007 NFC Championship: the Tom Coughlin era was an era unto itself. It was an era built and defined by the head coach very much the way Parcells defined his football team in the 1980s. The Green Bay Packers and frozen Lambeau field presented a test of not only a good Packers team fighting to go to Glendale, but also a test of the elements. It was the Giants who looked very much at home in the cold in keeping step for step with the Packers. Perhaps no play better defined this than Antonio Pierce's now legendary open field tackle after getting by two Packer blockers. The drama intensified with every missed FG that Lawrence Tynes kicked which could have ended the game in regulation. But, in delicious irony, it was the long FG attempt, from 47 yards in the below zero weather, that he drilled in overtime, to send the Giants Arizona-bound to the Super Bowl.

2011 NFC Championship: deja vu? The manner in which the Giants were winning in the playoffs was eerily similar to the 2007 Championship run. But this championship matchup was with an old playoff rival, the 49ers. Another tight, closely played contest that went into overtime and was decided by the opponent turning the ball over to set up a Tynes winning FG. I remember being completely stunned and shaking my head in disbelief in how the Giants were almost repeating their championship run from four years prior. Sure enough, they didn't disappoint in the Super Bowl as Eli Manning tossed another last-minute big-time throw and the Giants scored the winning TD while holding on to the end in denying Tom Brady a second time. Just an amazing run which would cap Tom Coughlin's championship years with the Giants.

As bad as the times are these days, I can look back on these moments in time, and the four Super Bowl victories which followed them, and be grateful to have witnessed them all in my life after being born into Giant fandom during "The Wilderness Years." There are other teams in the NFL who have never even been in the modern era Super Bowl (e.g. Detroit), while others have but never have won it (e.g. the Bills). No matter your beef about the head coach, GM or even the owners, at various points in the history of the NFL, the Football Giants have stood tall amongst their peers as champions of it. For having those times to look back at, and remember the moments of what made them special to us, I can only be grateful. And if it takes a while before they return to glory again, I've learned at an early age to be patient enough to die hard with them so I'll be there with them to enjoy the spoils when the good times return.

Peace!

Great stuff Chris. Sure makes me want to relive those games once again.

So we've gone thru the 50's but I would assume more would get involved in the 60s

Check this out for starters

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/60-vintage-photos-that-will-send-any-60s-kid-back-in-time/ss-AA1b8nzs?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=6b8260f3e46f4ebbb5dfbfc16795b805&ei=14#image=1

A few more

Ha, I had to laugh at that car your Dad bought. My Dad was about as conservative as they come. He always bought Fords (don't even ask me why) and whatever the going 4 door coupes there were.

It's funny, as I said he always bought Fords and always used. When he finally retired I told him to go out and treat himself to a new car after all those used Fords. He bought some Mercury Comet (still a Ford product) but he loved that car till he passed. My brother ended up with it.

Good to see him back in the NFL

(and not in the NFC East)

  Mark this date, Apr 8, 2024 where there will be a total eclipse of the sun thru a good part of the country especially NY.

https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/map/2024-april-8

Check this out on the Twilight Zone


https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/recaps/13-twilight-zone-episodes-that-send-shivers-down-your-spine/ss-BB1hc6uq?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=09c66829630d420583228d3ea1901b70&ei=61