Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 31, 2020, 09:34:22 AM
Tim: Yes, but there are other issues with cloth masks in addition to those you are correctly considering.

For example, cloth masks can retain particles in a way that you can infect yourself by touching (with your hands, for instance) particles on the outside of the masks that have been blocked from your face. 

The whole mask thing is very very complicated (example: the Fauci change of public stance) and that's why I have asked Rich to tell us the current consensus and respond when he has time to consider the matter.

Bob

And that's why they continue to say wash your hands or use hand sanitizer. Additionally, masks are supposed to be cleaned after each use (I have multiple) or thrown away for the disposable ones.

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 31, 2020, 07:15:09 AM
Rich:  Serious question about masks.  A lot of posts talk about "masks" but from what I've read and heard recently, just any old mask will not do the job, and could actually be counterproductive.

Specifically, there are reports indicating that if you're not wearing a surgical grade N95 respirator mask, you are at least wasting your time and money, and maybe doing more harm than good.

Apparently, masks made of cloth (and a few other types) might actually be worse than wearing no mask at all.  What's the actual current consensus?

Bob

For me, this is one of those 'common sense' situations where consensus doesn't matter. I prefer to use my own brain and eyes.

If the virus is transmitting through expelled and inhaled virus particles (coughing, breathing, sneezing) then why would a covering, ANY covering that inhibits those particles to be exhaled or inhaled provide some sort of protection? It doesn't have to be 100% or even 90% effective. To me, anything that can reduce the chances of me passing it on or catching it is effective, even at 10-20%.

Quote from: jimv on July 31, 2020, 12:43:32 AM

Tim, Your mentioning Cain's death was just in passing.  As we always do, when mentioning a significant death, we do it on the main page.  That's what I did.  It was Phil & Lenn who made it into a political thread.  I mentioned  CBS as liberal medium only because they gave his death the appropriate lack of knowledge as to its cause; more than our liberal friends on the Board did.

Jim,

You could have mentioned his death without the 'liberal media' reference, just as I did.

Whoever makes it political after that is on them, not you.

Either way, your thread and post were not altered in any way.

Quote from: umassgrad on July 30, 2020, 06:03:35 PM
Just heard about Cain's passing. Does anyone know how he got Covid? Was it at the rally where he is pictured here?

No one knows for sure but he has been seen without a mask and was hospitalized days after the Tulsa rally. Being fully exposed certainly didn't help. Neither did being African American and over 60 as studies have shown those to be the demographics that COVID affects the hardest. Why he wouldn't wear a mask in a public setting is beyond me.

God bless him. His suffering (in more ways than one) is over.

Quote from: jimv on July 30, 2020, 08:22:23 PM
Lenn & Phil - That's all you can say on a thread that was put up to honor a man's death?  SHAME on you!!!!!

Jim,

You're always quick to point out a political thread when others post it. You can't assign blame to the "liberal media" and then call someone else out for responding along those lines.

Additionally, I addressed his passing in the COVID thread on the Front Porch and you decided to post this here.

The rules are the same for all of us.

Herman Cain attended last month's Trump rally in Tulsa, where he contracted the coronavirus...




https://www.bet.com/news/national/2020/07/30/herman-cain-dies-covid-19-coronavirus-former-gop-presidential-candidate.html

May he rest in peace... 

Quote from: Sem on July 30, 2020, 09:05:30 AM

I'm usually quick with these things but I had to read it a couple of times before it came back and hit me... ba dum bum! 

Quote from: Ron in NJ on July 30, 2020, 06:20:34 AM
To create a sense of persecution in a certain group of people, that their rights are being trampled. Any only one man is standing up for them. Better make sure to vote for him in November. Trumps use of conspiracy theories is pretty well documented.

That's not out of the realm of possibility.

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 29, 2020, 10:27:33 PM
Tim: Yes, as H-Town has said and I think we all agree, the Constitutional right to free speech only applies to governmental action (and there was none here).

However, I believe we all generally support the concept of hearing ALL people out in public forums (like this one) even though they are not under a legal obligation to do so.

In any event, I haven't been able to find the whole video anywhere.  Excerpts were played on TV but I don't trust excerpts (regardless of which channel played them), especially for medical and scientific matters.

I have no idea why the website is down, or who took it down, or who is ultimately responsible.  It certainly could have been the "owner" but there are a few other possible explanations. 

Maybe, eventually, some enterprising young "cub reporter" will probably provide those answers.

Bob

I understand where you're coming from, Bob. And I tend to agree.

Personally, if I feel so strongly about something and I put it out for public consumption and it is removed, I'm going to find another avenue because it is that important. Not only that, I'm providing actual proof to support my stance. To my knowledge, these people just appeared on the scene with these claims. Does anyone have any information to substantiate their claims?

Quote from: Ron in NJ on July 29, 2020, 10:22:21 PM
I feel like the video was created for the express purpose of having it banned from social media

You don

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 29, 2020, 09:58:16 PM
Tim: To answer your question I will have to assume there is a doctor as described by H-Town, from whose post you copied the following description:

..... [a doctor] "who openly discussed her belief that the government is run by reptilians and aliens, and that infertility is caused by your spirit having intercourse with demons..." 

If that description were accurate and complete regarding the doctor to whom your question refers, then the answer to your question, obviously, is "not likely." 

But the issue is censorship. IMO, supporting the burning of books and the silencing of speech is a very bad idea.... because YOU might be the next person someone decides to silence.

Another good reason for allowing the video to stand is that, IMO, the best way to identify "crackpots," people with hidden agendas, and fools, is to allow them to talk.... if you know what I mean.

Bob

OK, so your issue is that Twitter deleted the video.

But isn't it their call as to what is allowed on their platform?

Is that the only venue that those doctors had available to air their video?

Why is their website down? Is that of their own doing or someone else?

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 29, 2020, 07:56:21 PM
Tim: Is this the question to which you're referring -->   How likely are you to see that doctor for your procedure?  Bob

Yes sir, that's the one.

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 29, 2020, 04:53:04 PM
Tim: Forgot to mention I did try the link and got a message that basically says that address is no longer in existence.  Only the owner of the name can log in.  I do appreciate the effort.  Thanks.  Bob

Hmmmm that's weird. It didn't come up for me either. Oh well.

Any thoughts on my question?

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 29, 2020, 04:14:04 PM
Ron: Two great points, neither of which had occurred to me.  I don't have a Twitter account and therefore never go there.  But I feel "deprived" for not having been able to see the video to decide for myself.

People who have covid might be interested.  The same for anyone like me who fortunately don't have it.  The "good news" is that absence of the chance to see the video may not stop people from asking their MD's.

With limited info I have, IMO the small group of MD's were treating people in very early stages of covid, whereas the study published in the New England Journal of Medicine dealt with "mild-to-moderate" cases. 

It's hard to tell if the two overlap, although I suspect they do not.  Further, I'm not sure if both the small group and the study in the N.E. Journal of Medicine are referencing exactly the same combination of drugs.

I do know that Dr. Marc Siegel (the "usual" Fox News medical guy) said on Tucker Carlson's show that in his view the verdict on the controversial treatment is still "up in the air" (not proven, and not yet enough data).

Bob

Did you go to their website? I posted a link to their site in my previous response to you.

I can't imagine why they would only post it to a platform where they have no control of it, especially when they have their own website.

Len,

I like the b&w shots of the shack better than the color. The b&w give it a rustic, nostalgic feel.

The winter scene, IMO, is better in its natural color. Let the natural white color come through to get the feel of the cold.