Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 10:01:08 AMIf we are being honest he responded in 2022 by putting up the same production as Davis Mills, Matt Ryan, and Russell Wilson in what was considered the worst seasons of their career.

Let's just hope the running games and defense can carry him again.

I just don't understand the need to pump Jones up when everyone knows what he us at this point. A middling Qb that refuses to throw the ball deep and now he can't run.

If anything hope he sits on the bench and Lock starts so that we at least get the ball thrown down field and don't have to risk Jones getting injured again and his contract being guaranteed in 2025.

This is the Carolina preseason game all over again. How many times does Jones have to let you down for you to finally realize he's not it? Genuinely curious because we are past half a decade at this point and it's meh.

Yeah, I'm all for being behind him for this year, pieces are in places and broadly everyone is out of excuses (despite the fact that ought to be the case last year).

There are no excuses. He's cut or re-worked at the end of year. If he's Davis Mills productive then we know which way it's gonna be.

And frankly, I reckon the vast majority of this knows which way it goes.

I am convinced that all Giants fans will root for Jones to succeed but the leash is shorter than my forearm, in my opinion.

Edit - the health next year isn't enough. He's proven to stay healthy once. He needs the numbers in his games that don't pad out his performance. He won't have Barkley to run to a 6-1 start - this is all on him. Let's see what he's got

If we are being honest he responded in 2022 by putting up the same production as Davis Mills, Matt Ryan, and Russell Wilson in what was considered the worst seasons of their career.

Let's just hope the running games and defense can carry him again.

I just don't understand the need to pump Jones up when everyone knows what he us at this point. A middling Qb that refuses to throw the ball deep and now he can't run.

If anything hope he sits on the bench and Lock starts so that we at least get the ball thrown down field and don't have to risk Jones getting injured again and his contract being guaranteed in 2025.

This is the Carolina preseason game all over again. How many times does Jones have to let you down for you to finally realize he's not it? Genuinely curious because we are past half a decade at this point and it's meh.

Garafolo is pretty well connected with the Giants


https://x.com/awthentik/status/1785074659907584277

We have more 'red and blue chip' players than we have had for quite a while but we also have big questions at key starting roles. Like most rosters it is in the balance as to whether the strengths elevate us or the weaknesses deflate us.

If the new coaches and veteran OL do their jobs professionally the roster should be league average, subject to QB play. I can see a path if enough goes right to give us sound enough foundations to compete 2025 and beyond assuming solid QB play but I will believe it when I see it.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 09:45:19 AMThe Giants have been run the same way for decades.  The GM is the ultimate decider, but the owner shares his views and opinions.  Frankly, considering that Mara grew up on Giants football, that doesn't seem like the worst thing.   The man learned football from greats like George Young, Bill Parcells, and Tom Coughlin.  It's not like he is some wealthy stockbroker who thinks his financial savvy easily translates to the football world.

I have heard people in the know fault Mara's loyalty, and I don't disagree.  Ronnie Barnes is the poster boy for people the team has kept past their sell-by-data.   Still, I hear far more unfair and unfounded criticism, in terms of conspiracy theories (I am not a fan of conspiracy theories), than he deserves.

I didn't like the Yankees owner as a person. But I liked the results. I'm a fan. All I want from the owner of the team I root for is results. Im not nor never will be his friend.

Quote from: FL GMAN on Today at 09:42:22 AMI find it amazing that pro scouts can view prospects this highly drafted so differently. I thought the Giants nailed the draft 2 years ago with Neal and Thibs. I hope both improve but as of now they are not what I thought.

Former Giants scout and head of Bears scouting Greg Gabriel likes to say if you put 5 scouts in a room and run some film, you will get 5 different reports.  Scouting is an inexact science.  I think part of the problem is you expect scouts to be experts at scouting every position.  I don't think that's a realistic expectation, as every position requires scouting drastically different traits.  Still, that's the way the NFL has always done it, and logistically (in terms of going to schools during the season) it's the most practical way.

If it were up to me I would be having scouts scouting a handful of positions (the ones they do best) rather than having them do all positions and have them scouting regions of the country.

Quote from: katkavage on Today at 09:37:25 AMIt's not a wild conspiracy to think that Mara was very much aware and in consultation with the GM on the first pick in the draft. And that the QB search was always a smokescreen. And that contract for Jones? Not done without consulting Mara? Please. He's not a cartoon villain. Just not a very good team owner in terms of success based on his own hirings to start with.

The Giants have been run the same way for decades.  The GM is the ultimate decider, but the owner shares his views and opinions.  Frankly, considering that Mara grew up on Giants football, that doesn't seem like the worst thing.   The man learned football from greats like George Young, Bill Parcells, and Tom Coughlin.  It's not like he is some wealthy stockbroker who thinks his financial savvy easily translates to the football world.

I have heard people in the know fault Mara's loyalty, and I don't disagree.  Ronnie Barnes is the poster boy for people the team has kept past their sell-by-data.   Still, I hear far more unfair and unfounded criticism, in terms of conspiracy theories (I am not a fan of conspiracy theories), than he deserves.

I find it amazing that pro scouts can view prospects this highly drafted so differently. I thought the Giants nailed the draft 2 years ago with Neal and Thibs. I hope both improve but as of now they are not what I thought.

In the 2022 offseason, most considered Daniel Jones a dead man walking.   

Consider:

1) The Giants passed on exercising DJ's 5th-year option

2) The Giants signed Tyrod Taylor who many fans claimed was as good or better than Jones (he did have a Pro Bowl to his resume)

3) Jones had injury issues and needed to prove he could stay healthy

4) Worst of all, Jones was going to have to prove himself behind a mediocre, at best, O-line with no significant receiving targets.  He would get a bit of a tangential boost from Barkley (who already lost something after his major knee injury)

Everyone was writing Daniel Jones off, there was much talk about the QBs in the draft. Only Daniel Jones decided he wasn't ready to be dead and buried.  He dragged his under-talented team to the playoffs and beat the 13-4 Vikings in the hostile Minnesota stadium.  He earned himself a solid contract.

From Daniel's perspective, this is just deja vue all over again.   I am not suggesting that Jones will stay healthy and knock it out of the park.  I am just suggesting we shouldn't be shocked if Jones plays like a franchise QB and takes the team to the playoffs again while at least staying healthy enough.