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IMOFWIW...Gettleman was so completely invested in drafting Smith that he was mentally unprepared and panicked, grabbing the first highly ranked WR on the board. It was a bozo move. Every GM should have a plan A, B, C, D...when preparing for the first round. He didn't even have a plan B and was stunned, speechless, and dumbfounded and ended up standing by himself with johnson in hand and fighting back tears

Hindsight is 20/20. At the time, Toney was considered a first round talent. We don't really know what kind of background checks they did on Toney in terms of his character. It could just be that there were no red flags to be found.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on December 16, 2023, 10:28:12 AMHindsight is 20/20. At the time, Toney was considered a first round talent. We don't really know what kind of background checks they did on Toney in terms of his character. It could just be that there were no red flags to be found.

Did you read the quotes in the article I posted?   

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 16, 2023, 10:40:11 AMDid you read the quotes in the article I posted?   

The quotes have nothing to do with what kind of character issues he may have been laden with heading into the 2021 NFL draft. There may have been no reason to think he'd become what he's become

They drafted a mental midget in Toney too, as well as his stature. He isn't anything but a clown.

 I wanted Parsons despite signs of immaturity. Hell.. LT was completely immature at UNC..once climbing the bell tower on a dare. Yet..he worked out

Sometimes great talent you have to trust in.

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on December 16, 2023, 10:07:18 AMIMOFWIW...Gettleman was so completely invested in drafting Smith that he was mentally unprepared and panicked, grabbing the first highly ranked WR on the board. It was a bozo move. Every GM should have a plan A, B, C, D...when preparing for the first round. He didn't even have a plan B and was stunned, speechless, and dumbfounded and ended up standing by himself with johnson in hand and fighting back tears

With all of the talk about doing due diligence on top guys even when they aren't particularly interested in them, that doesn't seem to have happened in Toney's case.  Even though picking a WR was high on their priority list.  It is hard to imagine a scout talking to this guy for ten minutes and not getting him taken off the Giants' board.

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 16, 2023, 10:40:11 AMDid you read the quotes in the article I posted? 

Weren't you critical of trading away 'DJs best WR'?  Why the 180?  Are you now supportive of the trade?  If you are supportive of said trade, do you believe the current management is capable of executing a rebuild?

As stated on draft night, Toney was a terrible pick; the Giants deserve a medal for executing that trade, and that's not revisionist history. 

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 16, 2023, 11:45:02 AMWith all of the talk about doing due diligence on top guys even when they aren't particularly interested in them, that doesn't seem to have happened in Toney's case.  Even though picking a WR was high on their priority list.  It is hard to imagine a scout talking to this guy for ten minutes and not getting him taken off the Giants' board.

The scouts note should all have read, "NOPE". He's a total space cadet.

This story should have been enough to disqualify him, instead it they explained it away and drafted him anyway. This is malpractice.

https://www.nj.com/giants/2021/05/how-giants-dug-deep-into-kadarius-toneys-gun-related-incidents-at-florida-and-what-they-learned-about-him-hes-not-that-guy.html

Was Toney a product of targeting a position rather than going BPA? 

Quote from: jgrangers2 on December 16, 2023, 10:28:12 AMHindsight is 20/20. At the time, Toney was considered a first round talent. We don't really know what kind of background checks they did on Toney in terms of his character. It could just be that there were no red flags to be found.

Are you kidding? There were numerous red flags. Anyways...I dont see Toney in the NFL very long. Defiantly any team going after him after his rookie contract is over wont be breaking the bank to sign him.

I understood at the time trading down to get an extra first round pick, and this is only Monday Morning quarterbacking , but if  Gettleman did not make that trade , Micah Parsons was on the board to be drafted . Imagine a linebacking duo of Parsons and Thibodeaux !!!

So I guess it was Neal for Parsons !!!

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on December 16, 2023, 01:46:14 PMI understood at the time trading down to get an extra first round pick, and this is only Monday Morning quarterbacking , but if  Gettleman did not make that trade , Micah Parsons was on the board to be drafted . Imagine a linebacking duo of Parsons and Thibodeaux !!!

So I guess it was Neal for Parsons !!!

Now that post is the ultimate mike drop!

Quote from: uconnjack8 on December 16, 2023, 12:35:56 PMWas Toney a product of targeting a position rather than going BPA? 

I think Elijah Moore was a significant better pure prospect than Toney was for pick 20. So I don't know if they had blinders on or what but Moore fit Garrett's offense significantly better than Toney.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 16, 2023, 02:06:27 PMI think Elijah Moore was a significant better pure prospect than Toney was for pick 20. So I don't know if they had blinders on our what but Moore fit Garrett's offense significantly better than Toney.

Seems the Giants thought the opposite.   I have no idea how they grade prospects but their selection of Toney tells me who they liked better. 

I would think the alleged versatility (WR, returner and RB on some types if plays) increased his grade even though he hadn't shown real development at the position which he was drafted to play. 

I was just thinking parsons and tibs
With dex
That would be scary and delicious
But no way they should of drafted tony
That is what talking to people suppose to do