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I dont think you can assume if they stayed put and drafted Parsons that they pick at the same place and get Thibodeaux.   

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on December 16, 2023, 01:46:14 PMI understood at the time trading down to get an extra first round pick, and this is only Monday Morning quarterbacking , but if  Gettleman did not make that trade , Micah Parsons was on the board to be drafted . Imagine a linebacking duo of Parsons and Thibodeaux !!!

So I guess it was Neal for Parsons !!!

It was Thibodeaux for Parsons. If they draft a pass rusher in 2021, they're probably not spending another top pick on a pass rusher in 2022.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 16, 2023, 09:55:15 AMAnd now Mahomes and Reid have backed off, essentially admitting it was a correct call and that Toney failed to point to the sidelines, which is how a receiver asks if his position is OK.  It's a learning moment for Reid and Mahomes.  Toney is a weak reed to assume he did the right thing.

Here is why.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/chiefs/2023/12/16/kansas-city-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-andy-reid-fined-criticizing-refs/71943648007/

There were so many things wrong with the Toney pick.  First, from what I've read, he was often injured in college.  Same here.  Second, i dont know about his non football intelligence but he clearly is not an intelligent football player; I've read he does not know the play book.  Highly unlikely to me is he didn't have similar problems in college. Similar to Deondre Baker. I can't believe a guy who falls asleep at meetings had a pristine college career in that regard.  The front office and/or scouts missed stuff.

Last, at a highly critical position of need then (and now), they passed on Darrisaw.

Quote from: nb587 on December 16, 2023, 04:01:10 PMThere were so many things wrong with the Toney pick.  First, from what I've read, he was often injured in college.  Same here.  Second, i dont know about his non football intelligence but he clearly is not an intelligent football player; I've read he does not know the play book.  Highly unlikely to me is he didn't have similar problems in college. Similar to Deondre Baker. I can't believe a guy who falls asleep at meetings had a pristine college career in that regard.  The front office and/or scouts missed stuff.

Last, at a highly critical position of need then (and now), they passed on Darrisaw.

Pretty sure he had a gun charge at Florida among other things.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 16, 2023, 04:09:04 PMPretty sure he had a gun charge at Florida among other things.

It was a fake gun or something. He may have been arrested but I don't think he was actually criminally charged with anything. He was definitely suspended from the team though at least once. His record was not spotless by any means.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 16, 2023, 04:37:49 PMIt was a fake gun or something. He may have been arrested but I don't think he was actually criminally charged with anything. He was definitely suspended from the team though at least once. His record was not spotless by any means.

He was pulled over with an assault rifle in the back seat, which was not a crime since FL doesn't require you to have a gun license so there was no arrest. There was an earlier incident with an airsoft gun painted to look like an AR-15. He claimed he bought the real AR-15 because he got into a scuffle with some locals. The whole thing should have been a huge red flag.

Had they not traded back and not taken Parsons, they could have taken Slater to be the RT and possibly Thibs the next season, although who knows what their record would have been with Slater at RT (his season ending injury in LA notwithstanding, it's no guarantee he would have his season cut short if he played for the Giants). If they take Parsons, it's probably Neal in 2022. It was just a bad year to pick OL.

We can play that woulda/coulda/shoulda game with countless decisions made over the past decade by multiple GMs, multiple coaches, and the owner. It would be a conversation you could have for days, weeks, maybe even months on end. It is of little use now though, particularly lamenting the decisions of individuals who have long since been fired for being bad, and in multiple cases downright horrible, at their jobs. The hope is the current leadership is competent and that the franchise is heading in a positive direction. I believe that they are, albeit they have certainly not been perfect and there have been some bumps.

A man needs to have his priorities.

Why on earth did Reid trade for him?

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 16, 2023, 03:27:45 PMHere is why.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/chiefs/2023/12/16/kansas-city-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-andy-reid-fined-criticizing-refs/71943648007/

Quote from: Philosophers on December 16, 2023, 06:40:19 PMWhy on earth did Reid trade for him?

Potential

Quote from: uconnjack8 on December 16, 2023, 07:40:42 PMPotential

Yup. Reid traded for a player he thought he could bring into the fold. He did for years in Philly...

Quote from: Philosophers on December 16, 2023, 06:40:19 PMWhy on earth did Reid trade for him?

Because they whiffed on Skyy Moore who is an even bigger bust. But they hit the jackpot with Rashee Rice so they are less dependent on Toney now.

I said this on another thread when I saw Deebo Samuels take over a game a few weeks ago.   Toney has a similar kind of skill set physically. I wonder if Reid thought he could harness that in the same way the Giants did but Reid should be much better at coaching plus he has Mahomes as the leader of the offense.  Toney is a tremendous talent but clearly something is missing between the ears and he may just end up being a very good punt returner.

My question on the other thread,  was Toney a Gettleman pick or a Judge pick?  I've seen speculation for both.  My anti Gettleman mindset is to blame him for everything plus he was the GM but I've never seen anything definitive and am very curious for some strange reason.