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Probably more realistic than most.  Unless the Giants manage to get into the top 3 they are likely on the outside looking in when it comes to this draft's teir one QBs

Via Tankathon

    1- Caleb Williams (QB)- Chicago Bears via Carolina Panthers

    2- Drake Maye (QB)- Washington Commanders

    3- Jayden Daniels (QB)- New England Patriots

    4- Marvin Harrison Jr (WR)- Arizona Cardinals

    5- Olu Fashanu (OT)- New York Giants

    6- Joe Alt (OT)- Los Angeles Chargers

    7- Malik Nabers (WR)- Tennessee Titans

    8- Brock Bowers (TE)- New York Jets

    9- Laiatu Latu (EDGE)- Atlanta Falcons

    10- Rome Odunze (WR)- Chicago Bears

It's not obvious to me that the Bears will move on from Fields. They may well do so, but to me it is no given. They have been on a nice run with him of late, and he is still cost effective for two more years.

I agree that if they don't, and the Giants are not picking in the top three, and the top three are the Bears, Pats, and Commanders, then the Giants will likely have a tough time getting one of these premier QBs.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 02, 2024, 11:16:32 AMIt's not obvious to me that the Bears will move on from Fields. They may well do so, but to me it is no given. They have been on a nice run with him of late, and he is still cost effective for two more years.

I agree that if they don't, and the Giants are not picking in the top three, and the top three are the Bears, Pats, and Commanders, then the Giants will likely have a tough time getting one of these premier QBs.

Yes.  How do you judge the 3 who have not played a snap against NFL players to a player who has not looked bad?

Quote from: Philosophers on January 02, 2024, 11:19:18 AMYes.  How do you judge the 3 who have not played a snap against NFL players to a player who has not looked bad?

This is literally what scouts and decision makers get paid to do. No player going into the draft has played against NFL players.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 02, 2024, 11:16:32 AMIt's not obvious to me that the Bears will move on from Fields. They may well do so, but to me it is no given. They have been on a nice run with him of late, and he is still cost effective for two more years.

I agree that if they don't, and the Giants are not picking in the top three, and the top three are the Bears, Pats, and Commanders, then the Giants will likely have a tough time getting one of these premier QBs.

Most people seem to think it's a given that the Bears move on.  Fields has not lit the NFL world on fire, and he has burned through 3 of his 4 cheap rookie seasons.  Most believe that the top QBs have ceilings that are elite (I don't think anyone is suggesting Fields will prove to be elite).

Fields will also have considerable trade value which will help the Bears build a team around their new QB (along with their other high first-round pick).

At this point I would be shocked to see the Bears pass on an elite QB prospect with their number one pick.

I'm not opposed to going OL if it works out this way. I understand the arguments for and against it, legitimate points have been made on both sides.

I still think Nabers might be the BPA at #5. Will be tough to pass on him if it works out this way.

Still the QB issue is a problem if they draft Nabers or Harrison.

Realistically the best chance the Giants have of a first-round QB would be J.J. McCarthy declares and the Giants consider him in the first-tier.  That would mean there would be 4 tier one QBs and you just have to hope the Cards pass on a QB

Fields is interesting.  Last year he lit it up in the last 6 or so games of the year and looked like he turned a corner.  This year he didn't pick up where he left off, but is again hitting his stride down the stretch. 

I don't see him having good trade value depending on how you grade that. I could really see the Bears going either way with him and drafting a QB. 

If Williams comes through the offseason still as the clear #1, and Chicago wants to make a go of it with Fields, they could trade down to 3 and still get the best weapon to help their QB.  I do wonder how much the franchise is old or not on Fields.  This is a franchise that still feels the burn for trading up to get Trubisky when they could have just drafted Mahomes.

I really think two of the teams in front of the Giants will win this weekend though.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 02, 2024, 11:30:01 AMMost people seem to think it's a given that the Bears move on.  Fields has not lit the NFL world on fire, and he has burned through 3 of his 4 cheap rookie seasons.  Most believe that the top QBs have ceilings that are elite (I don't think anyone is suggesting Fields will prove to be elite).

Fields will also have considerable trade value which will help the Bears build a team around their new QB (along with their other high first-round pick).

At this point I would be shocked to see the Bears pass on an elite QB prospect with their number one pick.

I'm not saying it definitely won't happen. I just don't think it's a given. He is playing well right now and so is the team. He is clearly popular there and is bringing in crowds. No matter what "most people seem to believe", nobody knows, and nobody knows what Poles and his staff think of these QB prospects. It's pure speculation. All I'm disputing is the notion that it's a given.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 02, 2024, 11:43:18 AMFields is interesting.  Last year he lit it up in the last 6 or so games of the year and looked like he turned a corner.  This year he didn't pick up where he left off, but is again hitting his stride down the stretch. 

I don't see him having good trade value depending on how you grade that. I could really see the Bears going either way with him and drafting a QB. 

If Williams comes through the offseason still as the clear #1, and Chicago wants to make a go of it with Fields, they could trade down to 3 and still get the best weapon to help their QB.  I do wonder how much the franchise is old or not on Fields.  This is a franchise that still feels the burn for trading up to get Trubisky when they could have just drafted Mahomes.

I really think two of the teams in front of the Giants will win this weekend though.

So you don't think Fields has good trade value, but you believe the Bears value him so much they would pass on an elite QB prospect in the draft?

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 02, 2024, 11:45:55 AMSo you don't think Fields has good trade value, but you believe the Bears value him so much they would pass on an elite QB prospect in the draft?

Where did I say that I think the Bears value him so much they would pass on an elite prospect? By the way, unless the Bears are trading with themselves, their opinion of him doesn't really matter for a trade. It's what the other 31 teams think of him. 

 

Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 02, 2024, 11:43:18 AMFields is interesting.  Last year he lit it up in the last 6 or so games of the year and looked like he turned a corner.  This year he didn't pick up where he left off, but is again hitting his stride down the stretch. 

I don't see him having good trade value depending on how you grade that. I could really see the Bears going either way with him and drafting a QB. 

If Williams comes through the offseason still as the clear #1, and Chicago wants to make a go of it with Fields, they could trade down to 3 and still get the best weapon to help their QB.  I do wonder how much the franchise is sold or not on Fields.  This is a franchise that still feels the burn for trading up to get Trubisky when they could have just drafted Mahomes.

I really think two of the teams in front of the Giants will win this weekend though.

and what do you consider good trade value?  With a potential of 5 QBs being considered worthy of an early 1st rounder and guys like Penix and Nix not in that conversation, what draft capital do you think the Bears could get for him?

With one year left on a rookie deal, no on field time to judge him in person for the 5th year option, not a great body of work in the passing game and not consistent improvement, I don't think he will fetch much in the trade market.

Even if Bears don't want a QB, more likely that they trade the #1 pick for a haul (continuing the value from the trade to the Panthers last season). I don't see a way that pick isn't a QB. So we're still talking about 2 QBs in the top 2-3 picks and very possibly 3 depending on how Week 18 shakes out.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on January 02, 2024, 12:02:54 PMEven if Bears don't want a QB, more likely that they trade the #1 pick for a haul (continuing the value from the trade to the Panthers last season). I don't see a way that pick isn't a QB. So we're still talking about 2 QBs in the top 2-3 picks and very possibly 3 depending on how Week 18 shakes out.

Agreed although (at least in theory) it could be us they do the trade with.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 02, 2024, 11:45:39 AMI'm not saying it definitely won't happen. I just don't think it's a given. He is playing well right now and so is the team. He is clearly popular there and is bringing in crowds. No matter what "most people seem to believe", nobody knows, and nobody knows what Poles and his staff think of these QB prospects. It's pure speculation. All I'm disputing is the notion that it's a given.

What would you do if you were the Bear's GM? 

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 02, 2024, 12:04:11 PMAgreed although (at least in theory) it could be us they do the trade with.

True. But I think the premium to move a few spots is going to be disproportionate. Giants have so many holes to fill I have a hard time seeing them putting things together long-term without keeping--if not increasing--their draft capital. Of course Schoen and Co. may find a particular prospect worth that risk.