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Quote from: MightyGiants on January 02, 2024, 11:30:01 AMMost people seem to think it's a given that the Bears move on.  Fields has not lit the NFL world on fire, and he has burned through 3 of his 4 cheap rookie seasons.  Most believe that the top QBs have ceilings that are elite (I don't think anyone is suggesting Fields will prove to be elite).

Fields will also have considerable trade value which will help the Bears build a team around their new QB (along with their other high first-round pick).

At this point I would be shocked to see the Bears pass on an elite QB prospect with their number one pick.

Fields now has three years of NFL experience. I'm in favor of Schoen trading our first round pick to Chicago for Fields. This would give Chicago 3 picks in the top 10.

Fields is the type of QB Daboll can work with. Not as big as Allen, but more athletic.

Quote from: T200 on January 02, 2024, 12:11:46 PMFields now has three years of NFL experience. I'm in favor of Schoen trading our first round pick to Chicago for Fields. This would give Chicago 3 picks in the top 10.

Fields is the type of QB Daboll can work with. Not as big as Allen, but more athletic.

Can't trade the 1st round pick for a possible 1 year rental...but if you're saying the Giants give up a 2nd round pick for Fields...given how he looks right now...I think they have to do it.  This assumes of course they end up outside of the top 4 meaning they can't get a Top QB in the draft.

McCarthy has not impressed me all season but I will say he looked pretty darn good this weekend.  He'd have to do it again in the championship game before I started looking at him in the same category as the Big 3 QBs this year.  Currently I'd have him in the mix with Penix and Nix and before this weekend I had him 3rd of that tier. 

Quote from: T200 on January 02, 2024, 12:11:46 PMFields now has three years of NFL experience. I'm in favor of Schoen trading our first round pick to Chicago for Fields. This would give Chicago 3 picks in the top 10.

Fields is the type of QB Daboll can work with. Not as big as Allen, but more athletic.

Fields has not played a full season in his three seasons in the NFL (and has a substantial college injury history).  The primary reason why I am in favor of moving on from Jones his penchant for being injured.

Fields would not be an upgrade in that regard (nor is he an upgrade statistically)

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/justin-fields/10754



For those saying the Bears will stick with Fields:  This season

He is 22nd in QBR

He is 23rd in QB rating

He is 20th (50% of 680 snaps or 25th (20% of 680 snaps) per PFF

I am not sure how those sorts of numbers in year three would make any GM or HC want to pass on an elite QB prospect.

Quote from: Gmo11 on January 02, 2024, 12:19:47 PMCan't trade the 1st round pick for a possible 1 year rental...but if you're saying the Giants give up a 2nd round pick for Fields...given how he looks right now...I think they have to do it.  This assumes of course they end up outside of the top 4 meaning they can't get a Top QB in the draft.

McCarthy has not impressed me all season but I will say he looked pretty darn good this weekend.  He'd have to do it again in the championship game before I started looking at him in the same category as the Big 3 QBs this year.  Currently I'd have him in the mix with Penix and Nix and before this weekend I had him 3rd of that tier. 

Typically, yes, you're right. I think there is enough film on Fields for Daboll to know if he can work with him or not.

We shall see.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 02, 2024, 12:05:45 PMWhat would you do if you were the Bear's GM? 

I would trade the number one pick for a haul. The Bears have a good young foundation that includes Fields. They are a team on the rise. Getting rid of Fields and plugging in a rookie QB could hurt their momentum and probably stall their growth as a team. Getting more draft picks, including another number one next year keeps fortifying them with solid players (if they draft well).

If the Giants stay put at number 5 and the QBs they want are gone, I would try to trade the pick and acquire more picks. Picking up an OL at 5 is as much a crap shoot as QB and unlike QBs, the possibility of finding solid offensive linemen in the later rounds, especially the 2nd and 3rd is just as good. I'm not Schoen, but considering the financial investment in the OL the past few years, taking another first rounder I believe would be a mistake.

Here is an article that cites 7 NFL GMs. They all say the Bears should move on from Fields


https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-trading-justin-fields-gms-explain-why-its-the-best-route-and-where-compensation-could-land-153257987.html?guccounter=1

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 02, 2024, 12:30:35 PMHere is an article that cites 7 NFL GMs. They all say the Bears should move on from Fields


https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-trading-justin-fields-gms-explain-why-its-the-best-route-and-where-compensation-could-land-153257987.html?guccounter=1

Easy for them to day. They aren't making the decision. It's a huge risk in many ways.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 02, 2024, 12:30:35 PMHere is an article that cites 7 NFL GMs. They all say the Bears should move on from Fields


https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-trading-justin-fields-gms-explain-why-its-the-best-route-and-where-compensation-could-land-153257987.html?guccounter=1

It makes the most sense to move on so you can get equal or greater play from a guy making significantly  less money than he's about to make after this season.  From a front office standpoint it's pretty cut and dry.  The one X factor is that this team that is suddenly playing well LOVES Fields.  And most of these guys are gonna be around next year.  So you do run the risk of losing the team if they draft a guy and it turns out he's either awful or just not great as most rookies are. 

If it were me I love Caleb Williams so much as a prospect I'm taking him immediately and telling the vets...be mad now...but just watch this kid throw a football and talk to me in camp.  I'm just not 100% sure the Bears will do it too.  Especially if they get some sort of Godfather offer for that 1st pick.

Either way...Williams is gonna be the #1 pick and Maye is basically locked in at #2.  Daniels and Harrison will be 3 and 4 in some order depending on who ends up where.  After that it's a crap shoot.  So the Giants kinda have to get into that top 4 to have a realistic shot at a huge QB.

Quote from: katkavage on January 02, 2024, 12:35:00 PMEasy for them to day. They aren't making the decision. It's a huge risk in many ways.

From the article

"When you pass on talented quarterbacks to lean into a guy's development, which the Bears did when they traded No. 1 last year, you have to be completely sure of that decision to do it a second time," another AFC general manager said. "They might not have taken C.J. Stroud with the first pick last [offseason], but he was there for them to do it. Caleb Williams is a no-brainer, and if they get the top pick, he's there for them. Sometimes the gamble is continuing to pass on players. Fields doesn't get over the hump, you don't want to be the guys that passed on both Stroud and Caleb Williams."

If the Bears do not feel good enough about Fields to use the 5th year option, they should draft a QB. That's how I see it. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 02, 2024, 12:37:01 PMFrom the article

"When you pass on talented quarterbacks to lean into a guy's development, which the Bears did when they traded No. 1 last year, you have to be completely sure of that decision to do it a second time," another AFC general manager said. "They might not have taken C.J. Stroud with the first pick last [offseason], but he was there for them to do it. Caleb Williams is a no-brainer, and if they get the top pick, he's there for them. Sometimes the gamble is continuing to pass on players. Fields doesn't get over the hump, you don't want to be the guys that passed on both Stroud and Caleb Williams."

If they think Williams is that good, then it is a no-brainer. If you listen the the scouts on this board, because he hugged and cried to his mother after a loss, there's no way you would take him. So there's that. I see little reminders of 2004 when the Chargers traded Brees to get Rivers.

Quote from: katkavage on January 02, 2024, 12:40:12 PMIf they think Williams is that good, then it is a no-brainer. If you listen the the scouts on this board, because he hugged and cried to his mother after a loss, there's no way you would take him. So there's that. I see little reminders of 2004 when the Chargers traded Brees to get Rivers.

This discussion reminds me more of the Chiefs drafting Mahommes, even though they had former first overall pick Alex Smith

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 02, 2024, 12:44:06 PMThis discussion reminds me more of the Chiefs drafting Mahommes, even though they had former first overall pick Alex Smith

I don't see that at all. They didn't trade Smith. They were able to pick a rookie who wasn't the first pick in the draft and play a pick up who's previous team discarded him.

Quote from: katkavage on January 02, 2024, 12:40:12 PMIf they think Williams is that good, then it is a no-brainer. If you listen the the scouts on this board, because he hugged and cried to his mother after a loss, there's no way you would take him. So there's that. I see little reminders of 2004 when the Chargers traded Brees to get Rivers.

That's one group.  There's another group that has very strong feelings that he is the best prospect in a long time.