Big Blue Huddle

On his latest podcast, Sims talks about what he sees in Mike Pennix


If you want to hear his full eval, it starts around the 17:45 mark of his Complete Simms podcast

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7mndp47AuyUpLs1veoU6oE

I can't listen to the pod right now, but I will later. Thanks for sharing it.

I have come around some on my views on Penix. I actually could see him fitting well with a team picking later in the first round that already has somewhat of an established offense. Minnesota comes to mind. Seattle possibly as well, depending on their long term views on Geno.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 04, 2024, 09:29:38 AMI can't listen to the pod right now, but I will later. Thanks for sharing it.

I have come around some on my views on Penix. I actually could see him fitting well with a team picking later in the first round that already has somewhat of an established offense. Minnesota comes to mind. Seattle possibly as well, depending on their long term views on Geno.

If you back up, you can also hear his and his son's take on JJ McCarthy

I will say that I have probably seen only 2-3 Washington games this year. But every time I turn it on, the kid is making picturesque passes into tight windows. Multiple times a game I think while the ball is in the air: "oh, the defense will have a shot at it"... then it drops over the defender's shoulder into the waiting arms of the receiver. His mechanics are unsightly to say the least, but Rivers succeeded with a similar motion so it's not out of the question. And while he has injured his ACL twice, he has also been healthy for two seasons. I still don't know if I want the Giants taking him given the age and health considerations, but it would not surprise me at all if he plays well in the NFL given his arm talent.

Buyer beware.

6th year player playing with one of the Best OLs in the nation and the best WR corps in the nation. Injury prone with limited mobility. And the best thrower ever? Holy good god. Not even close.

I remember when Josh Rosen had similar accolades.

I just have this feeling if we get Pennix with #8 overall that his body would fall apart behind our OL.

The only concern I see with him is that injury history.  He played well behind a poor OL at Indiana and made them competitive in the Big Ten.  His motion is weird, but as we have seen it has not caused an issue and I doubt it would at the next level. 


As for calling him the best thrower he has ever seen, I think recency bias can come into play.
 

I dont care about his throwing motion.  At the end of the day, it's simple.  Do his passes end up in the hands of the pass catchers 2/3s of the time or greater?

Calvin Peete was a 1970s golfer who could not straighten one of his arms.  As a result he had a really unorthodox golf swing.  I think he still holds the stat for fairways in regulation.  He got it done.  So does Penix.

Quote from: Philosophers on January 04, 2024, 10:44:36 AMI dont care about his throwing motion.  At the end of the day, it's simple.  Do his passes end up in the hands of the pass catchers 2/3s of the time or greater?

Calvin Peete was a 1970s golfer who could not straighten one of his arms.  As a result he had a really unorthodox golf swing.  I think he still holds the stat for fairways in regulation.  He got it done.  So does Penix.

What is more important than his form is the fact that he puts great RPMs on the ball, which certainly helps his passes cut through the fickle Meadowlands winds.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 04, 2024, 10:48:08 AMWhat is more important than his form is the fact that he puts great RPMs on the ball, which certainly helps his passes cut through the fickle Meadowlands winds.

Yes Rich.  Great point.  Time to think like Moneyball.  Results not the way he looks.

Penix footwork for a 6th year college QB is horrible.

Quote from: AYM on January 04, 2024, 10:03:39 AMI remember when Josh Rosen had similar accolades.

I just have this feeling if we get Pennix with #8 overall that his body would fall apart behind our OL.

I'm not saying draft Penix at five but why does everyone assume that the offensive line will be just as bad next year. Do you not think management knows it has to improve and will make every effort to do so? Even if the first Giant pick is not an OL there are plenty of other picks and free agency to address the line.

Quote from: katkavage on January 04, 2024, 12:09:20 PMI'm not saying draft Penix at five but why does everyone assume that the offensive line will be just as bad next year. Do you not think management knows it has to improve and will make every effort to do so? Even if the first Giant pick is not an OL there are plenty of other picks and free agency to address the line.

Because the OL sucked last year, mgmt knew it had to improve and made efforts to do so, and the end result was the OL still sucked. And the year before. And the year before. And the year before ...

I will NEVER trust that this issue gets resolved until the issue is resolved in actuality based on a change in performance, culture, health, etc. Until then, the assumption will continue to be that this unit will drag this team - and whoever the QB is - down once again.

Quote from: katkavage on January 04, 2024, 12:09:20 PMI'm not saying draft Penix at five but why does everyone assume that the offensive line will be just as bad next year. Do you not think management knows it has to improve and will make every effort to do so? Even if the first Giant pick is not an OL there are plenty of other picks and free agency to address the line.

To answer the question in bold, because we are Giants fans.  For over a decade assuming the O-line would be bad would be proven correct

Quote from: katkavage on January 04, 2024, 12:09:20 PMI'm not saying draft Penix at five but why does everyone assume that the offensive line will be just as bad next year. Do you not think management knows it has to improve and will make every effort to do so? Even if the first Giant pick is not an OL there are plenty of other picks and free agency to address the line.

I agree. There seems to be a view that a failure to use another top 10 pick on O line means the Giants aren't addressing the issue. They have two second round picks, one of which will be very early in the round and the other of which has a good chance of still being top 50 overall. They could use one or potentially both of those on O line. There are obviously other picks as well after those.

I appreciate that Neal looks like a bust and that OTs are hard to come by. IOLs however are available throughout the draft. You should certainly expect a quality front office to be able to find starting caliber IOLs in rounds 2-4 most years. Plenty of teams do. And not everyone with a good O line has two tackles that were both drafted in the top 10 or even first round. And obviously there is a free agent market for serviceable tackles in most offseasons.

The point of all this is just to say that folks who don't particularly want to use another top 7 pick on an O lineman aren't saying the O line doesn't need to be addressed. It does need to be significantly addressed. But failing to use another top 7 pick on O line does not negate significantly addressing the O line in the offseason.