Big Blue Huddle

Last year, this test was considered cutting-edge in determining QB talent (Brock Purdy had scored highly in the test).

Then this happened


Prior to the 2023 NFL Draft it was revealed that C.J. Stroud posted the worst S2 cognitive test score of any quarterback in that year's class.


https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/01/09/cj-stroud-response-critics-poor-test-score-nfl-draft#:~:text=Stroud%20posted%20the%20worst%20S2,level%20based%20on%20the%20S2.

Just goes to show that all this testing is a crap shoot.
In my uneducated opinion, the best way to assess a player is Game Tape. Watch it and see who stands out, see who's always in position, see who makes plays.

Quote from: ozzie on January 18, 2024, 01:53:04 PMJust goes to show that all this testing is a crap shoot.
In my uneducated opinion, the best way to assess a player is Game Tape. Watch it and see who stands out, see who's always in position, see who makes plays.

Even that can be misleading.  Remember on tape Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf didn't look much different

That test was so overhyped before the draft that people were criticizing the Texans for draft Stroud.

The Giants claimed that Jones scored very high on the test.

Conclusion: that test is total BS and has no correlation to NFL success unless you're cherry picking Brock Purdy.

Quote from: Uni on January 18, 2024, 02:14:20 PMThat test was so overhyped before the draft that people were criticizing the Texans for draft Stroud.

The Giants claimed that Jones scored very high on the test.

Conclusion: that test is total BS and has no correlation to NFL success unless you're cherry picking Brock Purdy.

Hanson,

As far as I am aware (and that included a quick Google search), the S2 cognitive test results were never released for Daniel Jones, assuming he ever even took the test.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 18, 2024, 02:17:39 PMHanson,

As far as I am aware (and that included a quick Google search, the S2 cognitive test results were never released for Daniel Jones assuming he ever even took the test.

They did not release the score, I swear I read that they just said it was very high and didn't elaborate. I can't seem to find a mention of that either.

Quote from: Uni on January 18, 2024, 02:26:34 PMThey did not release the score, I swear I read that they just said it was very high and didn't elaborate. I can't seem to find a mention of that either.

I was quite curious about what DJ's test score was.  This test supposedly measures a QB's processing speed.  Since many say DJ's processing speed was deficient, I was interested in seeing the result.

What always strikes me first in such instance is that the media, and we with it, are more interested, or at least focused, on the exception rather than the rule hence the current discussion.

And so, what are we thus inferring from a S2 Cognition comparison of Brock Purdy and C.J.Stroud? Is it that we are reminded, as we were with the Wonderlic Contemporary Cognitive Ability Test, that there can, and no doubt, will be significant differences between test results and performance in execution of a specific function, role and responsibility? If so, whether we know it or not, we do seem to recognize how broad in scope and meaning are the words, the terms, the titles Cognitive and Cognition.

By way of reminder, words like cognitive and cognition are best understood as relating to the mental processes of perception, memory, judgment, and reasoning, as contrasted with emotional and volitional processes. Although the Wonderlic Test suggested otherwise, cognition is by no means synonymous with intelligence as we generally conceive the latter.

The narrower the scope of the test, the more limiting is the information and knowledge provided whereas, the broader its scope, the more likely to produce exception in practice and application. In either case, if we see it as problem, the cause is almost always in the analysis rather than the data. 

Cheers!