Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: LennG on January 19, 2024, 12:03:21 PMSchoen needs more time to establish his brand on this team. What he inherited was more than a complete mess it was downright atrocious. He has done some good work and he has messed up a few times also. Everyone can't hit a home run every time at bat, there have to be a few misses also.
We can sit here and list his good things and bad things, but overall, I believe the Giants are better now than when he took over.
My one really bad deal was the Jones thing and we don't know, or may never know, if that came from Mara, and Schoen's hands were tied. I always said he should have played hardball because no team was going to give Jones what he was asking for. But we have to make the best of it.

I feel a GM needs 4 years to turn the culture around. If, after that time, we are still mired in mediocrity, then we move on. Schoen still gets 2 more years from me.

Len,

In fairness, most of Shoen's best players he inherited-  Andrew Thomas, Barkley, Darius Slayton, Dexter Lawerence, Leonard Williams, McKinney, Adoree Jackson,

For me the bigger issue now is not where Schoen went wrong re FA, the Draft, or even the currently problematic Daniel Jones contract, but rather did he go wrong in his choice of Brian Daboll as HC, should it turn out that Dabs is indeed the self-absorbed, sometimes officious martinet as some are now suggesting? It is an issue which must be clarified and resolved, first and foremost. Only then, can we get back to nickel and diming.

Cheers!

Even though D Jones didnt work out
We had to see for sure what he would become
Isnt it better if we draft a Rookie QB wouldnt it be better to learn from D Jones
Look.at Z wilson
The jets ruined him
For ever rookie QB that does great
Many more need to learn and sit
Its an expensive babysitting
But if it makes the rookie better
Than it was worth it
Look at Love

Quote from: Painter on January 19, 2024, 05:16:38 PMFor me the bigger issue now is not where Schoen went wrong re FA, the Draft, or even the currently problematic Daniel Jones contract, but rather did he go wrong in his choice of Brian Daboll as HC, should it turn out that Dabs is indeed the self-absorbed, sometimes officious martinet as some are now suggesting? It is an issue which must be clarified and resolved, first and foremost. Only then, can we get back to nickel and diming.

Cheers!

Larry

 I was always under the assumtion that Daboll was Mara's choice and not Schoens, that Mara did that hire.

Schoen and Daboll were the clear cut choices at the beginning. No one else was seriously considering.

I keep coming back to the point that the oddsmakers set the win line before the start of the season at 6 1/2 which was bet up to 7 1/2 pretty quickly.  Somebody knew the team wasn't that good but fans in general and especially fans that frequent this site and other thought we were a double digit win team & closed the gap on the Cowboys and Eagles.  I dont think Schoen was all in but he definitely wasnt on rebuilding mode last year and i dont think all out rebuilding was possible after winning a playoff game.  I dont think Schoen made many major mistakes snd I do think much of the criticism is Monday morning QB as mentioned above

Quote from: LennG on January 19, 2024, 07:44:36 PMLarry

 I was always under the assumtion that Daboll was Mara's choice and not Schoens, that Mara did that hire.

For what it's worth, when people talked about Schoen as a potential GM candidate, they always added that he would bring Daboll as his head coach (which was considered a plus).

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 20, 2024, 09:28:54 AMFor what it's worth, when people talked about Schoen as a potential GM candidate, they always added that he would bring Daboll as his head coach (which was considered a plus).

Indeed. All other interviews were a sham.

Once again, the stench of Mara is all over this.

The idea of rebuilding while "still trying to win" and "fix Daniel Jones" are reaches that cannot live together.


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Quote from: MightyGiants on January 20, 2024, 09:28:54 AMFor what it's worth, when people talked about Schoen as a potential GM candidate, they always added that he would bring Daboll as his head coach (which was considered a plus).

Rich and Lenn, that was my understanding as well. The two were a GM/HC package.  A fresh start without conflict or Mara cronyism in making the choice.

My question/concern is that having been elevated to Head Coach, whether or not it has gone to Daboll's head in less than a favorable way. I sure hope not as Schoen has enough challenges as it is, as do we all.

Cheers!