Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 18, 2024, 10:13:34 AMHere's the thing: on game day, the coaching staff needs to work as a well-coordinated machine.  NFL playcalling is extremely demanding; in a short period of time, you need to decide the best call to play while factoring in down, distance, and game situations.  Plus, you need to consider what your opponent might do and, how predictable you are being, and how you wanted the play calling to go.

So the focus should be on the two play callers, with everything else being conducted with an eye towards supporting the play callers.  The only real exception is the head coach, who also needs to consider the game situation and be prepared to make key calls like punt or go for it.

With this in mind, the details of Daboll's finger-pointing are essentially meaningless as there simply is no place in challenging in-game environment to waste time and create a distraction by finger-pointing or the like.

The stories about Daboll have painted a picture of the main. Whether they're conservative, spot-on or excessive, the question in this thread is how would he relate to a well-respected professional, such as Rivera, who is accomplished AND has head coaching experience and can empathize with Daboll's situation? I would think this might be a better fit AS LONG AS Rivera is in it only for the defensive coordinator role and not subversively looking to position himself for the head coaching job should Daboll falter.

I would most definitely bring him in for an interview, at the very least.

Peace!

Much rather have an up and comer than a retread.


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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 20, 2024, 10:39:59 AMMuch rather have an up and comer than a retread.


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I agree with this as far as OCs go, but DC is a different thing IMO. A lot of times "retread" DCs actually do quite well. There are several around the league right now that come to mind.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 20, 2024, 11:09:30 AMI agree with this as far as OCs go, but DC is a different thing IMO. A lot of times "retread" DCs actually do quite well. There are several around the league right now that come to mind.

I respect your position...but guys like Raheem Morris and DeMeco Ryans are examples of what were once up and comers who are now difference makers in the league. I'd love to have an aspiring coaching candidate like this.


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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 20, 2024, 01:19:00 PMI respect your position...but guys like Raheem Morris and DeMeco Ryans are examples of what were once up and comers who are now difference makers in the league. I'd love to have an aspiring coaching candidate like this.


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Andrew

Who is, as you say, aspiring, this year could be a waste of time next year. It's always the 'hot' guy, as was Kadka and Wink last year, but have one dreadful year and that stock goes way down.
I agree on some retreads, but a guy like Rivera, who cut his teeth on the defensive side of the ball, then became an HC and a successful one at that, will, most likely, still be a good, if not very good, defensive-minded guy.
For me, I don't think his negatives are his defensive schemes, I think just if he would get along as a sort of underling of Daboll.

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 20, 2024, 01:19:00 PMI respect your position...but guys like Raheem Morris and DeMeco Ryans are examples of what were once up and comers who are now difference makers in the league. I'd love to have an aspiring coaching candidate like this.


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You're right. I guess my point was more that you do have some retreads out there who are good DCs. Jim Schwartz is an example. So is Spags. So is Vic Fangio. I think you tend not to see them as much with OCs. Bill O'Brien types are usually busts.

Of course, I get your point that it would be great to find the next Demeco Ryans. The only thing I'd say to that though is if you do manage to find a young DC who is excellent and he has never been a HC before, you're probably going to lose him in a couple years. With a Schwartz type you don't have to worry about that.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 20, 2024, 01:44:53 PMYou're right. I guess my point was more that you do have some retreads out there who are good DCs. Jim Schwartz is an example. So is Spags. So is Vic Fangio. I think you tend not to see them as much with OCs. Bill O'Brien types are usually busts.

Of course, I get your point that it would be great to find the next Demeco Ryans. The only thing I'd say to that though is if you do manage to find a young DC who is excellent and he has never been a HC before, you're probably going to lose him in a couple years. With a Schwartz type you don't have to worry about that.

All solid points.

I also wouldn't argue against the likes of Spaghetti, Schwartz or Fangio.


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Quote from: LennG on January 20, 2024, 01:35:15 PMAndrew

Who is, as you say, aspiring, this year could be a waste of time next year. It's always the 'hot' guy, as was Kadka and Wink last year, but have one dreadful year and that stock goes way down.
I agree on some retreads, but a guy like Rivera, who cut his teeth on the defensive side of the ball, then became an HC and a successful one at that, will, most likely, still be a good, if not very good, defensive-minded guy.
For me, I don't think his negatives are his defensive schemes, I think just if he would get along as a sort of underling of Daboll.

I don't think Daboll needs an "underling". I simply don't believe him to be that fragile.

But for anyone in a leadership position, trusting those on your management team is critical. The second you believe you're being undermined, you need to take action.

I will also add that he gave Wink the benefit of the doubt by A) holding an air it out meeting with all coaches and 2) once he got to the leaks he didn't hold Wink responsible for the Wilkins brothers, he fired them himself.

To me, each example was Daboll being a man in the situation.


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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 20, 2024, 01:53:24 PMAll solid points.

I also wouldn't argue against the likes of Spaghetti, Schwartz or Fangio.


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Spagheti! 

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 20, 2024, 02:03:20 PMI don't think Daboll needs an "underling". I simply don't believe him to be that fragile.

But for anyone in a leadership position, trusting those on your management team is critical. The second you believe you're being undermined, you need to take action.

I will also add that he gave Wink the benefit of the doubt by A) holding an air it out meeting with all coaches and 2) once he got to the leaks he didn't hold Wink responsible for the Wilkins brothers, he fired them himself.

To me, each example was Daboll being a man in the situation.


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I agree , Daboll took a big step back this season ..... but I can't believe he was 100% of the problem in the Wink situation .... Daboll is the head coach point blank ..... Wink tried to go rogue ..... even after that Daboll left it on the table that he could still work for him

Think about that .... Daboll has to know that year 3 he's on the hot seat ..... obvious turmoil going on between the coaches with Daboll and wink and co ...... Daboll risked turmoil in his hot seat year by leaving the decision in Winks hand

Daboll isn't as much as a monster as the media is trying to say

https://x.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1749470724148830444?s=20