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I hate the 6th pick in this upcoming draft...I really do. It's not the because of where we pick, it's the fact that the players we need will probably be gone when we pick. IMO there are only 5 players that are worth the 6th overall pick for the Giants. Any other player we pick at 6, just feels like a reach.


If you were the GM of the Giants. What would trigger you to trade out of the 6th overall pick?


For me it would be when these 5 guys were off the board

Drake Maye

Marvin Harrison Jr.

Jayden Daniels

Malik Nabers

Caleb Williams (I think he might be a bust, but if he falls at 6,I dont want to be the GM that passed on a guy that could be a franchise QB)




Before any of you guys tell me "but there are good tackles"...yes true, but the top 2 are LTs and we already have a very good one. The transition from LT to RT in the NFL isn't as easy as one might think. Just draft a forking player that already been playing RT in college. At pick 10 to 20 JC Latham makes a ton of sense, he a true Right Tackle. I wouldnt be mad if we got him with the 10th pick, but 6 is a reach.

Makes sense to me. Another good topic for discussion. 

Quote from: brownelvis54 on February 17, 2024, 07:09:02 PMI hate the 6th pick in this upcoming draft...I really do. It's not the because of where we pick, it's the fact that the players we need will probably be gone when we pick. IMO there are only 5 players that are worth the 6th overall pick for the Giants. Any other player we pick at 6, just feels like a reach.


If you were the GM of the Giants. What would trigger you to trade out of the 6th overall pick?


For me it would be when these 5 guys were off the board

Drake Maye

Marvin Harrison Jr.

Jayden Daniels

Malik Nabers

Caleb Williams (I think he might be a bust, but if he falls at 6,I dont want to be the GM that passed on a guy that could be a franchise QB)




Before any of you guys tell me "but there are good tackles"...yes true, but the top 2 are LTs and we already have a very good one. The transition from LT to RT in the NFL isn't as easy as one might think. Just draft a forking player that already been playing RT in college. At pick 10 to 20 JC Latham makes a ton of sense, he a true Right Tackle. I wouldnt be mad if we got him with the 10th pick, but 6 is a reach.

If you like him at 10 you take him at 6.  Nobody can rank players that well.

Quote from: Philosophers on February 17, 2024, 07:49:35 PMIf you like him at 10 you take him at 6.  Nobody can rank players that well.

Joseph, normally I would agree with you. " If you like him you take him", but not in this draft. Why? Because at best JC Latham would be an ok pick at 10 anything earlier is a reach. aside from the 5 guys I mentioned, there are Joe Alt and Olumuyiwa Fashanu. Both are franchise Left Tackles. Had Olumuyiwa Fashanu came out in 2023 he would have been a top 5 pick. As of now many have Joe Alt as the #1 Left Tackle. There are many teams that would love to have either one. A trade back with a team like Atlanta who could use a LT makes sense. No way in hell does a team take JC Latham before Fashanu or Alt...no way

With the exception of Harrison, I trade back if those QBs are gone, but not to a team that needs a QB. I trade to a team who wants Nabers and only back so I get McCarthy and then another few picks. There are almost 20 real good receivers in this draft. The Giants can win with a second or third round receiver. They cannot win unless they get an upgrade at QB.

When trading back there has to be a calculation as to among a group of players, at least one will be there for you of value in your BPA. At that point, with so many needs, one has to fit.

That's my ideal draft at least as of mid February.

I think in the 6-8 range the Giants have a ton of options to get an elite talent.

JJ as our new QB1 in a trade down to #8 along With Polk, Benson, and Burton to pair with Hyatt and Wandale is a really exciting young offensive core. Then you also grab 2 studs on defense, an elite Safety to replace Mckinney, and Trotter Jr to pair with Okereke to give you one of the best young linebacking groups. Plus a talented tackle who could step in and be swing and an edge to develop later

Couple that with 2 guard signings, a DE, and a #2 and #3 Edge in FA and I think this is a playoff team next year or at minimum 8-9 with a ton of young talent to look forward to the future. Especially with the extra cap from Mccarthy being on a rookie deal.

I think that is how you can flip the Giants as an offense and a team in one offseason.

Quote from: Ed Vette on February 17, 2024, 08:28:08 PMWhen trading back there has to be a calculation as to among a group of players, at least one will be there for you of value in your BPA. At that point, with so many needs, one has to fit.

Ed, I agree. Thats a risk you have to take and be able to deal with the consequences. Having said that...I think the chances of JC Latham being there in the mid-first are a lot more likely than McCarthy being there in the mid-first. As the GM...if my 5 guys are gone, I am moving back and getting as many draft picks as possible, if my boy is gone then I am taking the best player I can get and defiantly looking for a guy that played exclusively at a RT in college and grabbing him with one of my two 2nd round picks.

It depends on compensation and how far you have to drop. This team desperately needs high end talent that creates mismatches. Your chances of grabbing an elite player drops quickly once you get outside of the top 10. Nabors, Odunze and Alt are high upside players and will be available at 6.

Quote from: madbadger on February 17, 2024, 08:51:00 PMIt depends on compensation and how far you have to drop. This team desperately needs high end talent that creates mismatches. Your chances of grabbing an elite player drops quickly once you get outside of the top 10. Nabors, Odunze and Alt are high upside players and will be available at 6.

According to Dave's math (and I think he is right)...if we were to slide back to Atlanta...swap thier 8th for our 6th...we would get their 2nd round pick 47th, but I would still ask for their 199th pick (6th)

Quote from: brownelvis54 on February 17, 2024, 08:57:39 PMAccording to Dave's math (and I think he is right)...if we were to slide back to Atlanta...swap thier 8th for our 6th...we would get their 2nd round pick 47th, but I would still ask for their 199th pick (6th)

Keep an Eye on Minnesota and Oakland who will be looking to move up for a QB. I can see both of them coveting JJ.

Quote from: Ed Vette on February 17, 2024, 09:12:34 PMKeep an Eye on Minnesota and Oakland who will be looking to move up for a QB. I can see both of them coveting JJ.

And Atlanta.

Quote from: Ed Vette on February 17, 2024, 09:12:34 PMKeep an Eye on Minnesota and Oakland who will be looking to move up for a QB. I can see both of them coveting JJ.

I agree and if we trade with either team, then for our Right Tackle:



JC Latham

Taliese Fuaga

Tyler Guyton



And let's not forget, the Bengals are in huge need of a LT. The must protect their prized QB. Getting Olumuyiwa Fashanu or Joe Alt with our 6th overall pick would set them up to be a powerhouse in the AFC and we would get a lot of picks sliding to pick 18

Quote from: Ed Vette on February 17, 2024, 09:12:34 PMKeep an Eye on Minnesota and Oakland who will be looking to move up for a QB. I can see both of them coveting JJ.

Schoen is going to have to be savvy. It's gonna be a wild draft.

Quote from: katkavage on February 17, 2024, 09:35:57 PMSchoen is going to have to be savvy. It's gonna be a wild draft.

I wouldn't rule out a trade down and a trade up for some team.