How PFF views Schoen's two draft classes

[MightyGiants]

I was inspired by the 2023 Heroes and Goats threads to look at the season PFF grades for Schoen's two draft classes


2022

1    Kayvon Thibodeaux- 58.5   
1    Evan Neal- 39.8
2    Wan'Dale Robinson- 66.4   
3    Joshua Ezeudu-    42.4
3    Cordale Flott-    53.3
4    Daniel Bellinger- 49.1
4    Dane Belton- 51.7   
5    Micah McFadden- 65.6
5    D.J. Davidson-    51.6
5    Marcus McKethan- 45.4   
6    Darrian Beavers- Did not play

2023

1    Deonte Banks-      51.4
2    John Michael Schmitz-    41.4           
3    Jalin Hyatt- 59.7
5    Eric Gray- 57.2   
6    Tre Hawkins- 52.6
7    Jordon Riley- 33.1
7    Gervarrius Owen- did not play

[Ed Vette]

How much of this is an indictment on coaching and how much on talent?

[MightyGiants]

How much of this is an indictment on coaching and how much on talent?

It's hard to say.  I will say that I personally believe that draft success is 50/50.  Half of it is talent identification and acquisition and the other half is player development.  The problem is that from the outside looking it, one is challenged to see what is causing/contributing to a prospect's success or failure.

[Doc16LT56]

So McFadden is the only one who graded as average. Every else was below average. The four OL picks were among the lowest grades.

The question of how much is on coaching and how much in talent is the right question to ask. It's ultimately up to Joe Schoen to figure it out and find a way to improve things.

[DaveBrown74]

I'm not really defending this, but how does the average PFF grade for rookies compare to say that of all fourth and fifth year players?

[MightyGiants]

So McFadden is the only one who graded as average. Every else was below average. The four OL picks were among the lowest grades.

The question of how much is on coaching and how much in talent is the right question to ask. It's ultimately up to Joe Schoen to figure it out and find a way to improve things.

Robinson also earned himself an average grade

[MightyGiants]

I'm not really defending this, but how does the average PFF grade for rookies compare to say that of all fourth and fifth year players?

The grades for the 4th and 5th-year players are generally better.  Of course, the longer you are on a team (or even in the league), the more filtering you see as poor players are let go and eventually find themselves out of the league or barely hanging on via the PS.

[Ed Vette]

It's hard to say.  I will say that I personally believe that draft success is 50/50.  Half of it is talent identification and acquisition and the other half is player development.  The problem is that from the outside looking it, one is challenged to see what is causing/contributing to a prospect's success or failure.

What players that remained or left had an upswing in production from the Joe Judge regime to the Daboll team and as FA's that moved on? It's obvious Dex did as he was put in his proper position. Okereke had a better year here. Some of the O line who left faired better. Jones was up and down. Saquon, had injury issues. Slayton did better as did Engram away. The O line regressed with the exception of Thomas. Adoree went downhill. Can you compare the PFF Judge results total Offense and Total Defense to the two years of Daboll? Not player by player just total O&D separately for each of the four years. You can include special teams. Would we assume there are better players for Daboll? I think in some cases yes and some no.

[MightyGiants]

What players that remained or left had an upswing in production from the Joe Judge regime to the Daboll team and as FA's that moved on? It's obvious Dex did as he was put in his proper position. Okereke had a better year here. Some of the O line who left faired better. Jones was up and down. Saquon, had injury issues. Slayton did better as did Engram away. The O line regressed with the exception of Thomas. Adoree went downhill. Can you compare the PFF Judge results total Offense and Total Defense to the two years of Daboll? Not player by player just total O&D separately for each of the four years. You can include special teams. Would we assume there are better players for Daboll? I think in some cases yes and some no.

This is from Len's article

[TDToomer]

I cannot for the life of me understand how Banks is rated so poorly. I thought he had an outstanding rookie season and should make all-rookie. I'm going by my eyeball test. He's had as good of a rookie season that Aaron Ross had in 07.

[madbadger]

I cannot for the life of me understand how Banks is rated so poorly. I thought he had an outstanding rookie season and should make all-rookie. I'm going by my eyeball test. He's had as good of a rookie season that Aaron Ross had in 07.

Especially since Wink put him on an island all year long. PFF is often and enigma wrapped in a riddle.

[MightyGiants]

I cannot for the life of me understand how Banks is rated so poorly. I thought he had an outstanding rookie season and should make all-rookie. I'm going by my eyeball test. He's had as good of a rookie season that Aaron Ross had in 07.

When it comes to CBs, one measure I value as much as their overall grade is the QB rating when targetted-  84.7

For some context, 84.7 is 5th best among rookie CBs.

His PFF grade is 17th among rookies.

[MightyGiants]

One more insight on Banks

[LennG]

 Newsday's Kimberly Jones graded this years rookies

https://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/giants-rookies-nvk1nr0i

She gave Banks an A.

[TDToomer]

When it comes to CBs, one measure I value as much as their overall grade is the QB rating when targetted-  84.7

For some context, 84.7 is 5th best among rookie CBs.

His PFF grade is 17th among rookies.

17 rookie Cornerbacks qualified for a PFF rating? How many of them started 15 games?