I was watching a video on Andrew Thomas, and he was talking about his new Coach. The interviewee brought up and solid observation, who is the guy to build chemistry, long term familiarity at left guard, to give Thomas a player he could grow with. Thomas as of now is 25 years old, it would be nice to add a LG that Thomas can gel with.
What are our options at LG, how would you address the position?
Quote from: brownelvis54 on April 21, 2024, 04:04:36 PMI was watching a video on Andrew Thomas, and he was talking about his new Coach. The interviewee brought up and solid observation, who is the guy to build chemistry, long term familiarity at left guard, to give Thomas a player he could grow with. Thomas as of now is 25 years old, it would be nice to add a LG that Thomas can gel with.
What are our options at LG, how would you address the position?
I don't think the long term solution is on the team, myself. I think they will likely draft a guard, and hopefully by the end of day two. Unless they botch the pick (as they have seemingly done with other O line picks), that will be the long term solution. I just don't think there is one on the team right now. We have guys who can play the position, but I don't think any are the long term answer.
I'm confused, didn't we sign 4 guards in FA? I was under the impression that Runyan was your plug and play LG.
Thomas
Runyan
JMS
Eluemunor
Neal
Runyan has played more LG than anything despite playing the past 2 seasons at RG and Eluemunor has played more RG than LG so he's a logical fit there if we keep Neal at RT.
We have to see what Jon Runyon will do. He's perfect size, athletic, 26 yrs old w/ 5 years of experience. It also has a lot to do with Carmen Bricillo. For all we know, Runyon might be the next Shaun O'Hara, only bigger. They even look somewhat alike (which means nothing, I know). For all we know, we might already have the long term solution at LG. I'm more interested in seeing how Bricillo coaches up this unit
Runyon
(https://i.postimg.cc/HsY7NB1B/Runyon.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PN7xpbxw)
O'Hara
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Cooper Beebe
OG
Kansas State
Height: 6 - 3 |
Weight: 322 lbs |
RAS: 9.28
Draft him in the 2nd round and slide Runyun to RG
Draft Zak Zinter to play RG and play Runyan at LG.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 23, 2024, 12:54:59 PMDraft Zak Zinter to play RG and play Runyan at LG.
I am down with this
I've been super-high on Zinter from day one. But the more I research, the more I discover a lot of analysts aren't high on him at all. Very confusing :-??
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 23, 2024, 01:04:42 PMI've been super-high on Zinter from day one. But the more I research, the more I discover a lot of analysts aren't high on him at all. Very confusing :-??
First team All American in 2023, started 42 of 45 games and leader on the best OL for the past 3 years. He's big at 6'6" and at 322 pounds, he probably could even add strength weight if he wanted. I've seen him play a lot. Michigan's zone and gap scheme blocking is very sophisticated and complicated and Zinter knew it intimately. He played RG at Michigan. His season ending injury was a bone break of tibia and fibula, not a soft tissue (e.g. ligament) injury which is much better for his long term prognosis.
But why? We have holes everywhere, if we've solved the line, let's solve another problem.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 23, 2024, 03:27:11 PMBut why? We have holes everywhere, if we've solved the line, let's solve another problem.
Nobody knows if the OL problems have been solved yet and if not we lose half the team's ability plus stress the D. I am not convinced Neal will be the starting RT so assume Ele is there and Runyon is one of the two guards. That leaves the hole at other guard. Eze and McKethan are not starters.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 23, 2024, 03:27:11 PMBut why? We have holes everywhere, if we've solved the line, let's solve another problem.
Because its the Giants. Recent history says 4 of these 5 guys will be hurt by October.
Quote from: bamagiantfan on April 23, 2024, 04:50:38 PMBecause its the Giants. Recent history says 4 of these 5 guys will be hurt by October.
I get that, but we will never be able to field a competent team if everyone doesn't give the people we do draft time to get. Neal has barely played a full season and he's a bust, Ezeudu has played multiple positions never really being able to develop in one spot. They need time.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 23, 2024, 05:09:38 PMI get that, but we will never be able to field a competent team if everyone doesn't give the people we do draft time to get. Neal has barely played a full season and he's a bust, Ezeudu has played multiple positions never really being able to develop in one spot. They need time.
J - Neal looked worse than any 1st round I have ever seen play. He was completely whiffing on blocks multiple times in year 2. The coaching staff would be negligent to assume he comes around. Plan for worst and get surprised if better.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 23, 2024, 05:37:49 PMJ - Neal looked worse than any 1st round I have ever seen play. He was completely whiffing on blocks multiple times in year 2. The coaching staff would be negligent to assume he comes around. Plan for worst and get surprised if better.
He actually was coming along in year 2 even with the injuries. I think our oline coach was horrible for him. I think he'll balance out as a solid tackle. Just our line makes people look worse than they are and that's happened for years now.
Two more drafts with top 10 picks and I am confident we will find one.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 23, 2024, 03:27:11 PMBut why? We have holes everywhere, if we've solved the line, let's solve another problem.
We've solved the line? When? Everything you say about Jones counts 10x for the OL, including the fact that we have no idea how each will play this upcoming year. And the line has been terrible for twice as long as Jones has been a Giant.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 23, 2024, 08:55:05 PMWe've solved the line? When? Everything you say about Jones counts 10x for the OL, including the fact that we have no idea how each will play this upcoming year. And the line has been terrible for twice as long as Jones has been a Giant.
No one mentioned Jones in this thread besides you. I've also always respected your takes on Jones even if I didn't agree, so I am unsure what he has to do with this or the need to add him to the conversation but ok.
I was simply saying after diverting 2 top 10 picks, a 2nd rd, a 3rd rd, and day 3 pick on the oline plus signing 4 guards with position flex, and getting a new line coach that i imagine barring injury the Giants likely assume they have the line solved for this upcoming season. Will it work? Who knows, but on paper we traded Ezeudu for Runyan, and Eluemunor for Mckethan. Are there still concerns, absolutely but what we have now is likely going to be it barring a UDFA signing, or if we sign Phillips once he's healed to be the swing.
So if they think the problem is solved then instead of drafting another guy to sit the bench with Ezeudu and Mckethan we should likely start fielding other areas of need.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 23, 2024, 10:35:25 PMNo one mentioned Jones in this thread besides you. I've also always respected your takes on Jones even if I didn't agree, so I am unsure what he has to do with this or the need to add him to the conversation but ok.
This is a message board, not a collection of thread silos.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 23, 2024, 06:03:22 PMHe actually was coming along in year 2 even with the injuries. I think our oline coach was horrible for him. I think he'll balance out as a solid tackle. Just our line makes people look worse than they are and that's happened for years now.
Where did you see him coming along? If he improved so marginally but from such a deep hole I don't think it matters at all.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 24, 2024, 08:28:44 AMWhere did you see him coming along? If he improved so marginally but from such a deep hole I don't think it matters at all.
Yeah, Jess is right more than he's wrong and has been accurate with most of his analysis over the last few years. However, on this rare occasion, I disagree with him. To date, Neil has demonstrated poor twitch and lateral speed, which are areas that don't improve with time. I believe there's a real possibility he moves to Guard in an effort to minimize the aforementioned shortcomings. He will always be a liability against speed edge rushers.
I'm not ready to pull the plug on Ezeudu just yet. Injuries and position shuffling have retarded his development imo.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 24, 2024, 08:28:44 AMWhere did you see him coming along? If he improved so marginally but from such a deep hole I don't think it matters at all.
https://youtu.be/UD1mIhi-v1I?si=D7UcQ_4SA4OIkGBy
He was getting good reps in despite the turnstile next to him and at center. I think the oline coach was a ton of the problem, don't get me wrong Neal has warts but he can absolutely be serviceable if not a decent tackle with the right coaching and cohesion on the line. Nick Falato and those guys pointed it out above, but he was stringing along good reps until he got injured. He wasn't perfect but had good reps. Remember he's basically only played 1 season with the injuries.
Quote from: kingm56 on April 24, 2024, 09:37:17 AMYeah, Jess is right more than he's wrong and has been accurate with most of his analysis over the last few years. However, on this rare occasion, I disagree with him. To date, Neil has demonstrated poor twitch and lateral speed, which are areas that don't improve with time. I believe there's a real possibility he moves to Guard in an effort to minimize the aforementioned shortcomings. He will always be a liability against speed edge rushers.
You and Jess are two of my favorite posters here. Neal simply does not get to the ideal spot to block a player at the most optimal time. I am not sure if it is lateral quickness or slow processing once the snap is made but that part of his game has not improved and I don't think it can. He may be better off as you noted to be inside in a more confined space.