Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 22, 2020, 07:35:40 AM
Yeah, self-centeredness and a sense of entitlement have plagued man since likely the dawn of time.    In fairness, masks were less effective in 1918 than they are today.   Today, we know it to be a scientific fact that masks save lives, but in 1918 that couldn't be said.

I've had the fortune and blessing to live in both Asia and Europe for a number of years. We don't fully realize how the world sees us until we are on the outside looking in.

https://www.today.com/money/niagara-falls-boats-show-stark-difference-between-social-distancing-us-t187466

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 21, 2020, 08:30:44 AM
and this is why I can't agree with any claims that the President and all the governors are doing the best they can for the American people

I liken it to the battered wife syndrome. The husband abuses the wife, then apologizes and says he loves her and she still stays. He continues to do it and it's a vicious cycle that she can't get herself out of, despite those around her doing their best to help. Very difficult to get someone out of an abusive relationship.

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 20, 2020, 05:00:51 PM
This is a prime example of the sort of mistake I talk about.   This governor's actions are literally costing people their lives

I agree but that's not a mistake. It's deliberate.

So Georgia's Governor Kemp is suing Atlanta's Mayor Lance-Bottoms for issuing a mandatory mask order in Atlanta against the governor's directive. The governor says that people should not be mandated to do the right thing. 

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 20, 2020, 12:06:18 PM
Tim: Acceptable.  This is the same rating I give to all other elected chief executives (Governors, county commissioners, mayors, etc.) as of today.  Eventually, we can and will look back on their efforts and learn from the errors and find the "best" approach to use in the next pandemic, but I think it's utterly unfair to engage in daily, repetitive, and sometimes purely partisan, criticism of any of them at this time.  After all, we are still only in THE MIDDLE of this progression of the plague that has been visited upon us.  The good news is that we have 50 different state approaches to study as well as the numerous local governments.  The TRUE ERROR would be failure to learn a lot about how to respond in the future.

As for Trump (and this is a just repetition of some of my prior posts) he did what he is supposed to do.  He gave heavy weight to the Federal health agencies, who recommended closing most of the economy down, so he did so and for a while stood firmly behind them.  Then, after waiting until he thought the situation with the economy prevented any further waiting, he left it to the individual Governors to each do what they thought best for their states, but continued to present the views of the Federal health officials at his press conferences, even if they were not in total agreement with his views. This enabled the American people to see the whole picture and consider the differences, as well as the areas in which there was total agreement.

Bob

Fair enough.

We've been dealing with this virus and the subsequent economic fallout and racial tension since March. Looking back at the game tape, what feedback and recommendations would you give Trump?

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 20, 2020, 11:10:47 AM
umass: Absolutely not.  One death per day is "too many."  You're correct in the implication that a lot more people are going to die.  Can you imagine the daily consternation and hand-wringing in every mayor's office, in every State House and in the White House over this?  Elected officials are in a tough spot (but I don't feel sorry for them - they sought elective office).  However, I do adamantly object to the daily criticism which is ever-present and constant.  The general public is already scared beyond belief, and overdoing the criticism is not helping.  Elected executives (i.e., Trump, all 50 Governors, mayors, county execs, etc.) are charged with the duty to do what's best for the group they govern.  That includes issues beyond just the virus (unfortunately) and that is why I say they're all in a tough spot.  Being a chief executive always means "striking a balance" and while the virus is super-important (obviously), other related and unrelated health issues, economic well-being, and many other issues must be weighed as well.  All I can say is I'm glad I'm not in charge, and I'm rooting for each and every one of them to succeed.  Bob

Bob,

How do you feel Trump has done in striking a balance?

Quote from: Ron in NJ on July 17, 2020, 10:58:20 AM
This is the part of her remarks where I drew my conclusion

The science is very clear on this, that

Quote from: Ron in NJ on July 17, 2020, 10:47:17 AM
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Quote from: Bob In PA on July 17, 2020, 10:06:29 AM
Rich: If you have something to support this contention, please post it.  Otherwise, I respectfully request your withdraw it.  Bob

QuoteAsked about President Donald Trump's message to parents as some schools opt to go fully online in the coming weeks, McEnany said "the president has said unmistakably that he wants schools to open."

"And I was just in the Oval talking to him about that," she said. "When he says open, he means open in full, kids being able to attend each and every day in their school. The science should not stand in the way of this."

Link: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/white-house-press-secretary-science-should-not-stand-way-schools-n1234102

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 17, 2020, 01:20:46 AM
Tim: Oops. Sorry about that. Tired eyes!  Bob

No worries, Bob. One team - one fight! 

Please post all COVID-19-related items here.

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 15, 2020, 07:53:09 AM
Rich: They're doing a bang-up job!   Bob

Is it fair to hold them accountable when countries don't cooperate?

Quote from: jimv on June 26, 2020, 02:48:38 PM
Lenny, neither one of these quotes are familiar to me.  And, Tim, answering a quote with a quote does me no good.  If we're talking the 70s for both movies, that's the decade that I'm probably least familiar with.

Here are some more from the first movie, Jim:

"If my answers frighten you, Vincent, you should cease asking scary questions."
"I love you Pumpkin. I love you too Hunny Bunny."

Quote from: LennG on June 25, 2020, 07:53:51 PM
Here are a couple of easy ones also

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know My name is the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon thee.

And

" don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work, or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter, punks are running wild in the street, and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it! We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be! We know things are bad

Quote from: jimv on June 14, 2020, 11:35:03 AM

All the quotes I put up are from memory.

That is pretty impressive Jim!