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They are free but you need to pre-order.  Go to Giants.com and follow the links

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Bring back Albany.

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Quick note about the Giants offering free tickets for training camp.  They will also accept walk ups as space permits but they recommend fans secure tickets to be assured access.

Thanks. Would have missed this.

East Rutherford, N.J. - The New York Giants announced today that for their 2018 training camp presented by Toyota, fans wishing to attend practice sessions at Quest Diagnostics Training Center can now guarantee their access by registering for complimentary tickets in advance. Once registered, fans will receive their tickets via email and can present using their mobile device to enter practice. While registering for tickets is strongly recommended to guarantee access to view the camp practice, the team will also grant fans admittance to practice sessions on a walk-up basis, if space permits. The first practice session will take place on Thursday, July 26 at 2:45 p.m.

Groups wishing to attend with more than 16 people are encouraged to contact the Giants Training Camp Hotline directly (201.935.8111 ext. 1070).


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Rich and I have tickets for every practice. We may not attend every practice but if you would like to meet up I suggest you reserve a ticket now. They are free. Let us know what day you want to meet.

If you're coming from out of town, check with the weatherman JimV. The beginning of camp could be a washout.

Several are sold out, including the day I wanted to attend.

That was fast.

I wouldn't be surprised if some got them in the hope of a sell out which could create an aftermarket.

Others may have got them just in case their work schedule allows them go.

I think this was a poor choice by the Giants.

Quote from: tomeee on July 23, 2018, 04:14:37 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if some got them in the hope of a sell out which could create an aftermarket.

Others may have got them just in case their work schedule allows them go.

I think this was a poor choice by the Giants.

What

I think it

BRING BACK ALBANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote from: jimv on July 23, 2018, 07:01:15 PM
BRING BACK ALBANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL, No, bring back the Sea Girt NJ Army Base .

While where at how about St. Joe's Seminary in Yonkers or Pace in Pleasantville.

Are there other teams that limit the number of people that can go to a practice. I have never heard of such a thing, training camp practices have always been open to any who wanted to attend. I have been to Timex field only once, so it a space thing. Seems there is always space for would be fans.
What a terrible PR blunder this is. Tell all the little kids that they can't go to see their favorite team practice because they are sold out.

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Quote from: LennG on July 25, 2018, 09:27:46 PM
Are there other teams that limit the number of people that can go to a practice. I have never heard of such a thing, training camp practices have always been open to any who wanted to attend. I have been to Timex field only once, so it a space thing. Seems there is always space for would be fans.
What a terrible PR blunder this is. Tell all the little kids that they can't go to see their favorite team practice because they are sold out.

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The problem is that last year they were forced to turn people away because they ran out of room.  The longer camp is there the bigger the crowds

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I just did a short Facebook live as we work our way in.

https://www.facebook.com/125883414106008/videos/2200500219977640/

Sam Beal is on the field and in uniform

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The refs are here

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"Rich and I are at Training Camp"

Okay, security has been notified.

False alarm, Beal is now on the exercise bike

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Quote from: MightyGiants on July 26, 2018, 02:51:07 PM
False alarm, Beal is now on the exercise bike

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Renamed by the Giants the Osi bike, we need to face reality the kids done for the year, we can pretend he's red shirting  if that helps ease the pain.The bottom line is DG needs to burning the phones trying to get an accomplished Cornerback, Teddy Williams, BW Webb, Curtis Riley Et al. are scrubs or put a nicer way other teams UDFA practice squad players. They Giants can't screw around and obviously it's slim pickings. I want either DRC or Bashaud Breeland, hopefully both are healthy.

I did some live video of 11 on 11 drills on a Facebook Live at our Facebook Page.

Here are the links

https://www.facebook.com/125883414106008/videos/2200566003304395/

https://www.facebook.com/125883414106008/videos/2200649846629344/

https://www.facebook.com/125883414106008/videos/2200700923290903/

Thanks for the FB video! With no cable I don't get much of anything here in the country. The only thing we really have is Netflix

Thanks for the video.

What handsome fellows!

Are you sure those guys aren't actors you hired to play you?  =))

For those interested I just got myself a ticket for tomorrow's practice. Website said they were 90% full. 

Quote from: The Chief on July 26, 2018, 06:33:43 PM
Thanks for the video.

What handsome fellows!

Are you sure those guys aren't actors you hired to play you?  =))

I concur Chief. Hopefully a famous Hollywood Director sees this video. Could be stars in the making!


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Quote from: todge on July 26, 2018, 10:27:37 PM
I concur Chief. Hopefully a famous Hollywood Director sees this video. Could be stars in the making!

Ted: The picture on my screen was a bit fuzzy....   

Bob: put your glasses on man..... :doh:

These are great, but I sure do miss Albany.

Agree on Albany....or Pace, or FDU Madison.  I believe getting away, keeping the team together, sequestered in dorms is a valuable team building experience.  It takes time to negotiate and arrange training camp on the road, so it was too late by the time Shurmur was hired but I'm hoping he takes them away next year. 

Quote from: Gman329 on July 27, 2018, 07:32:38 AM
Agree on Albany....or Pace, or FDU Madison.  I believe getting away, keeping the team together, sequestered in dorms is a valuable team building experience.  It takes time to negotiate and arrange training camp on the road, so it was too late by the time Shurmur was hired but I'm hoping he takes them away next year.

There are two factors that force the team to stay at the HQ.   First, with the 2011 CBA severely restricting practices, they can't afford to miss one or have one severely compromised by rain.  Their HQ has an indoor practice facility big enough to accommodate a proper practice.  Up in Albany, they had to practice in a gym/basketball court.

Second, as computer/video technology advances it got much more challenging to bring all that tech up to and set it up in a remote location.

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 27, 2018, 08:00:34 AM
There are two factors that force the team to stay at the HQ.   First, with the 2011 CBA severely restricting practices, they can't afford to miss one or have one severely compromised by rain.  Their HQ has an indoor practice facility big enough to accommodate a proper practice.  Up in Albany, they had to practice in a gym/basketball court.

Second, as computer/video technology advances it got much more challenging to bring all that tech up to and set it up in a remote location.

Makes sense.....and I know Albany frustrated Coughlin, especially and just wasn't up to standards.  But there are an awful lot of colleges with amazing facilities within a 150-200 mile radius of the Meadowlands.  Maybe they find one that works.  I also admit to being a tiny bit jealous of the Jets complex in Florham Park. 

Quote from: Gman329 on July 27, 2018, 07:32:38 AM
Agree on Albany....or Pace, or FDU Madison.  I believe getting away, keeping the team together, sequestered in dorms is a valuable team building experience.  It takes time to negotiate and arrange training camp on the road, so it was too late by the time Shurmur was hired but I'm hoping he takes them away next year.

Have a lot of fun memories of Pace (used to live right next to Westchester County ).

Drake and Weeze want to attend!

Do the players go home at night or do they all stay together at a hotel for the duration?

In honor of Mojo

Quote from: COGiantFan on July 28, 2018, 01:43:43 AM
Do the players go home at night or do they all stay together at a hotel for the duration?

Same question here!  Obviously, they have to put the rookies, undrafted invitees and free agents up somewhere but can the veterans who live there year round go home at night?

Link:

https://www.facebook.com/125883414106008/videos/2204167006277628/

I thought Flowers had a terrible stance when he lines up.   He is bending massively at the waste.   Worse, after the snap he pops straight up and has no ancho.

I thought Webb looked good and throws a nice ball (the exception being a pass he throw off his back foot that resulted in an easy INT)

It was good to see Snacks taking some snaps

There were some drills where Hill and Tomlinson switched sides

No one is able to cover OBJ, he looks uncoverable

Moss and Okwara did not look good in LB drills.  Ed pointed out they run like they are in quicksand compared to the other OLBs

Amba Etta-Tawo has the skinniest legs I have seen in some time, but he does have a really fluid stride

What a kick to be there for the first play with pads this season!   :ok: :ok:

Thanks for the video guys.   =D> =D>

NJ.coms thoughts on Day 3

https://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2018/07/olivier_vernon_lorenzo_carter_dominate_first_pract.html

Interesting!

Seems like they see things as Mighty does as well.


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"Moss and Okwara did not look good in LB drills.  Ed pointed out they run like they are in quicksand compared to the other OLBs"

I can't see them making the team. Martin, OV, Barwin and Carter the top 4 OLBs. Hill, Mauro, Tomlinson, are locks at End with McIntosh and Wynn vying for a spot as well.

Rich and I are both concerned about what we saw today from Eric Flowers. It

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Rich and I are both concerned about what we saw today from Eric Flowers. It

Quote from: RoadtoGlory on July 28, 2018, 07:51:29 PM
First day in pads for Flowers at a new position so Im not hitting the panic button just yet.....But eyebrows are raised a bit.

I also love the fact that our D brings heat from all over this will really help the OL be battle tested to worst case scenario stuff theyll see in the regular season. I think teams will realize the only way to stop this offense will be not to give Eli time to find our multiple weapons. So our D will help them prepare well for that.

I had the same thoughts.

I forgot to add there what I witnessed what I am pretty sure is a sign of the end of days.   A fan walked by me yesterday with a License Plate Guy t-shirt.   :laugh:

I thought Flower and Wheeler looked pretty good today.

I thought Eli did well, Webb had a couple of good throws but there were others I was less impressed with.   Lauletta looked pretty good (as does Taney who actually impressed me. 

I watched Engram blocking twice.  Once he got tossed aside like a rag doll by OV (not that OV hasn't been abusing others) and the other he did a nice help block and then peeled off and did a nice second level block

RB Robert Martin from Rutgers has looked impressive

I think part of the reason Engram has looked so good catching passes is Shurmur/Shula are using him better by attacking the middle part of the field.


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great idea about the Mojo Chronicles, but many here have no idea what this even means. Might you explain this, who Mojo was and about his reports from training camp? We have many new posters who just may not understand the meaning of this.

Bump

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Martin has been pretty impressive. Keep an eye on him. Evan Engram has been a force in the passing game and I agree with Rich as to how he is used but he

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1. Strong practice for TE Evan Engram. Caught a handful of passes. He's going to be tough to guard. A mismatch vs. most safeties. Eli Manning hit him on one pretty pass deep down the seam for a big gain. #Giants

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2. Maybe Saquon Barkley and Odell Beckham get involved in KO and punt returns some time during the season when big play is needed? Barkley was among a group that included Sterling Shepard, Wayne Gallman, Cody Latimer and Jawil Davis handling kicks on Sunday. #Daily5 #Giants


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3. The run game has been slow to materialize early in camp. Defense has proven stout up front in short-yardage and red-zone drills. Third-round pick B.J. Hill looks like a player working alongside Damon Harrison and Dalvin Tomlinson. #Daily5 #Giants



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4. Davis Webb's best skill might be his ability to throw on the run. It's impressive. There was one play where he fired a 40-strike rolling right on the $$$ to Khalif Raymond for big gain (if it wasn't a sack). Raymond also had a strong practice for 2nd day in row #Daily5 #Giants


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5. CB Donte Deayon had a great leaping INT deep down the left sideline early in practice. He continues to shine. But he later left with some kind of lower leg injury where he grabbed at the back of his leg. Maybe the hammy sniper. #Daily5 #Giants

Gentlemen, one reason not mention for running a lot of blitz packages at the offense was to get the RB's up to speed on their responsibility to pick up the blitz.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were doing especially for the number 1 pick.

As for the comments made earlier in the thread about the camps at a college and off site I don't see this happening again.  If you remember they were in camp for a number of weeks with 2 a days being common.  They are now to few official practices with 1 a day and it just doesn't make any sense to pick up the entire operation for so few practices when they have everything right there at their disposal.  It just is not cost effective.  I remember when they would practice at Fairfield, Pace and then Fairleigh Dickinson in NJ.  I don't but some might even remember when they would go to Vermont.  Keep in mind that before they moved to NJ in the 70's they had no permanent home.  They played in the Polo Grounds and then Yankee Stadium and couldn't play in those facilities until after the Baseball season was over including the World Series.  At that time camp was much longer like six weeks or so and they played 6 preseason games which was cut down to 4 when they went from 14 regular season games to 16.

First, let me tell you that 5 days in a row is too much.   I can't imagine how the players are holding up (Might explain the 2 fights today)

It was overcast and rather comfortable.

I know I posted an article about Webb looking good and I know Pat Traina is high on Webb.  Heck, I was cautiously optimistic about Webb.   That all said, I am not seeing it.   Webb misses by just a little on many of his passes.   That troubles me.     

On the plus side, I think Eli is looking better.   

The guy who has looked pretty impressive has been Lauletta.   Ed has noted that he has really nice footwork.   I think he has a good pocket presence and he has made a fair number of good plays.

One of the fights was caused by OV picking up Gallman on a running play and sort of dumping him on the ground.   Gallman didn't appreciate that and a scrum ensued. 

It looked like Latimore tweaked a quad.   He was being stretched by the training staff and then didn't participate much after that.

I saw Barkley bounce a run outside.   While you don't want him doing that often, it will produce big runs if used judiciously.


Edit to add:  Believe it or not, they had the WRs running a one-handed catch drill

As always. Thanks so much for the reports!

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Edit to add:  Believe it or not, they had the WRs running a one-handed catch drill

The amount of fans that showed up today was absolutely incredible. They had to double the line and people were still coming in 45 minutes after practice started. This thing really has taken off.

Rich made a good point that these are not the hard core fans of Albany. Mostly families with kids 12 and under looking to get autographs.

They totally mismanaged this thing with the fans. They should be embarrassed.

Thanks for taking the time to bring us up to speed.    =D> =D> =D>

Quote from: Ed Vette on July 30, 2018, 07:02:43 PM
The amount of fans that showed up today was absolutely incredible. They had to double the line and people were still coming in 45 minutes after practice started. This thing really has taken off.

Rich made a good point that these are not the hard core fans of Albany. Mostly families with kids 12 and under looking to get autographs.

They totally mismanaged this thing with the fans. They should be embarrassed.

How so Ed?  Heading to practice next Monday for Season Ticket Holder Day.  Anything I need to be aware of, look out for?


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Be prepared to get there 90 minutes early and wait in the hot sun until they open the gate an hour before practice. Thousands of people go through two body scanners. Then people without tickets can fill out a paper form and walk right in another gate and cut the line. The people with kids have to get on another line and get wristbands after they get in to get on another line for autographs at the end of practice. The line for Ahmad Bradshaw was halfway across the compound. Then people who come in late walking up and down the aisles looking for a seat. Brandon London walks the stands to get the crowd pumped up to cheer and is an annoying distraction to the field of play. Enjoy!

Maybe the Season Ticket Holder day will have much less people. After all they don

Cool commentary. Thanks for posting, very helpful.

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 30, 2018, 04:58:56 PM
First, let me tell you that 5 days in a row is too much.   I can't imagine how the players are holding up (Might explain the 2 fights today)

It was overcast and rather comfortable.

I know I posted an article about Webb looking good and I know Pat Traina is high on Webb.  Heck, I was cautiously optimistic about Webb.   That all said, I am not seeing it.   Webb misses by just a little on many of his passes.   That troubles me.     

On the plus side, I think Eli is looking better.   

The guy who has looked pretty impressive has been Lauletta.   Ed has noted that he has really nice footwork.   I think he has a good pocket presence and he has made a fair number of good plays.

One of the fights was caused by OV picking up Gallman on a running play and sort of dumping him on the ground.   Gallman didn't appreciate that and a scrum ensued. 

It looked like Latimore tweaked a quad.   He was being stretched by the training staff and then didn't participate much after that.

I saw Barkley bounce a run outside.   While you don't want him doing that often, it will produce big runs if used judiciously.


Edit to add:  Believe it or not, they had the WRs running a one-handed catch drill

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Quote from: Ed Vette on July 30, 2018, 10:50:22 PM
Maybe the Season Ticket Holder day will have much less people. After all they don

we miss the Albany camp scene.  for us, an eight hour drive for that which you describe is an awful lot, even for a life-long Giants fan.  .

After three or four practices, there comes a point of diminishing returns from the fan's perspective.

I haven't been to camp in NJ, but Albany was perfect.  Sad that they moved it.

On Lauletta, I see him as basically Chad Pennington, a really good QB, smart, moves well but with a mediocre arm. A QB that you absolutely can get fully behind and certainly win with if he stays healthy.   I'll be happy with Webb if he can show he's got it... but I think Eli's successor is on the roster and his name is Kyle... lol.  Just an opinion of course, but there it is.

Quote from: Johnny5 on July 31, 2018, 12:55:25 PM
I haven't been to camp in NJ, but Albany was perfect.  Sad that they moved it.

On Lauletta, I see him as basically Chad Pennington, a really good QB, smart, moves well but with a mediocre arm. A QB that you absolutely can get fully behind and certainly win with if he stays healthy.   I'll be happy with Webb if he can show he's got it... but I think Eli's successor is on the roster and his name is Kyle... lol.  Just an opinion of course, but there it is.

The one issues with Lauletta is how long his arms are.   While he is 6' 3", his arms are only 30 5/8" long.   Mechanically the longer arm helps to increase velocity.   While I believe Lauletta can get stronger and improve his grip strength (will happen in the offseason, not during the season) which will improve his arm, I think those shorter arms of his will limit just how much velocity he can get on the ball. 

Agree Mighty, I think his velocity is what it is.  But that said, I think he can still be effective, much as Chad Pennington was.  I see them as very similar QBs.

Quote from: Johnny5 on July 31, 2018, 06:29:08 PM
Agree Mighty, I think his velocity is what it is.  But that said, I think he can still be effective, much as Chad Pennington was.  I see them as very similar QBs.

If he can be as smart as Pennington was, that's a hell of a 4th round pick.

Today the players were in shells but no hard contact, except for BJ Goodson on a Receiver over the middle but they hugged and made up.

We saw John Jerry getting third team snaps at RT and he did pretty well except on one play. Chad Wheeler was moved to LT second team. I would like to see Jerry moved up to second team RT. Then if he does well there, compete for the starting job.

I know that I

Nice write-up.  Can't wait for that first game.  Hope it doesn't rain so they can play all-out without fear of getting hurt.  Bob

I'm a fan of Gallman Ed. I think he's going to be the RB that spells Barkley. I think Stewart will sink to the bottom of the depth chart or even get cut? If I recall correctly we signed Stewart before we drafted Barkley? Way too much money for a backup running back. This thought of needing veteran leadership is way overrated.
Has Darian Thompson regained his form? If so, he's right in the mix.
I still roll my eyes at this futile gesture of Engram being described as a TE.
Read a comparison of your boy Lauletta to former Jets QB Chad Pennington.
I'm up for any Plan B at right tackle. Flowers is going to crash and burn and it would behoove us to be ready. Jerry is a good pass blocker. can he drive Block in space, dhat's dah rub Ed?
Saw that nuisance guy u spoke of Brandon London on Giants Camp report. He needs to go! :boooo:

Thanks Ed. Great right up and thanks for giving me some news about the TEs and how they are being used.

Is Gallman any bigger? He was always a solid back who finished runs well but also always looked like he could add more muscle below the waist. He is a a smaller version of Jonathan Stewart. I'd like to know if he did the off season work in the weight room.

I can

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I can

Gallman is an enigma. I was very impressed with how tough he ran last season as a Rook.
He runs much harder than his measurables suggest. The change in physical stature of a second-year player can't always be seen on the field. They could even weigh the same amount. But thier strength has been improved dramatically. The key is to get stronger but not lose quickness or speed A feat. Not easily achieved. that's why Rooks tend to improve after a full offseason in an NFL weight room.

You report was full of nuggets... really enjoyed it Ed

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Contrary to what I

Although I do see Webb as the backup QB with a year under his belt.

Today is a morning camp, weather permitting. It looks ok for now. There have been storm pockets and some pretty large moving North and East all week. Yesterday we were told to go back to our cars just before they were to open the gate. In a few minutes the sky opened up. As it turned out the window for practice was clean.

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Contrary to what I

Quote from: Ed Vette on August 01, 2018, 08:46:15 PM
I can

Dalvin Tomlinson on the bike today with Donte Deayon, Armbrister and Sam Beal.

Eli just threw a 60 yard in the air pass completion to Russell Shepard.

Wynn getting first team snaps in place of Tomlinson

Gay is the slot corner

John Jerry still not on second string

Lauletta completes a 50 yard in the air pass. On the money!

He also had a fumble of a snap.

Goodson, walks off the field after going down

John Jerry look good at right tackle taking third team snaps. Pushed his man to the outside on every snap and once had him to the ground and when he got up shoved him down again.

Saw something on Twitter last night or this morning about Jerry getting 1st teams reps at RT.  Odd.

Goodson, back on field

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Saw something on Twitter last night or this morning about Jerry getting 1st teams reps at RT.  Odd.

Bad report

22 personnel in short yardage situations

One of the good things about the conversion from 4-3 to 3-4 is that many of these Defensive Players have experience both ways for when they practice for a 4-3 Opponent. It helps the Oline prepare well.

Eli look sharp today

Stewart and Gallman taking first team snaps

All three quarterbacks look good today

I

Eli with another 55 yard in the air completion. Who said he lost some of his arm strength?

 a couple of Webb

A lot of passes to Rudolph today

Int by Lauletta

These are all 7 on 7 drills now.

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Ahhhh, the good old days.  Thanks for the memory.

PS....rode around after practice with DJ Ware and his girlfriend, and ran into jerry reese in the building after that.   Those sideline passes every year, courtesy of a of mine pal at SUNY Albany, and our parking lot breakfasts and the picnic gatherings in the park after practices, were the best. 

Go Giants.

Rick & Phyllis

How about this one.

The Highlight of the day was meeting andrew_nyGiants.

The players were in Shorts today and there was minimal contact. It's of the few practices without pads. Eli look the sharpest of the QB's today as the others struggled with accuracy, the pass rush and great coverage by the Defensive Backs. Especially Eli Apple who had a couple of nice breakups.

Tomlinson was back on the field. Barkley had just a couple of reps. In fact I only recall one where he was lined up in the X and he caught a pass on a slant. Nice soft hands.

Gallman and Stewart got most of the first team reps. Gallman has been used extensively in camp and he has participated in Special Teams as the Kickoff returner. A lot of time is devoted to Specials. Especially today. Let's hope it pays off in dividends.

John Jerry has second team RG snaps today. Chad Wheeler and Eric Flowers will keep Pat Shurmur up nights. The lack of OT depth is alarming to me. This is not good folks.

William Gay had a Hammy. He had an icepack on. He has been playing very well as our Slot DB.

OT is a nightmare league wide! 

We are just worse off than teams that are bad off!

Let

Meeting Andrew who is the cycling champ was definitely the highlight.   

Eli Apple had a very nice practice

Webb had a very poor practice (to go along with a less than ideal practice yesterday).   Now we will see how he responds to some adversity.

I thought Gallman had a very good practice to go along with a very good camp.  I don't think Barkley got any snaps carrying the ball (but he did line up wide as a receiver).  Including a snap where he made Jenkins look foolish

Barwin is a crafty veteran who knows all the moves and have been embarrassing linemen all camp.

Got a look at the new OT and I think he has better feet than Flowers

Whoever is covering the Giants camp for NFL network said it was a very sloppy practice on Thursday.

WOW! Talk about great memories! A Soiree at tomeee's house. And the fun relationship I struck up with TC's bodyguard. I think I was his favorite guy to throw out of practice? Redfaced

Quote from: Jaime on August 03, 2018, 08:42:41 PM
WOW! Talk about great memories! A Soiree at tomeee's house. And the fun relationship I struck up with TC's bodyguard. I think I was his favorite guy to throw out of practice? Redfaced

That was George

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 03, 2018, 03:38:29 PM
Meeting Andrew who is the cycling champ was definitely the highlight.   

Eli Apple had a very nice practice

Webb had a very poor practice (to go along with a less than ideal practice yesterday).   Now we will see how he responds to some adversity.

I thought Gallman had a very good practice to go along with a very good camp.  I don't think Barkley got any snaps carrying the ball (but he did line up wide as a receiver).  Including a snap where he made Jenkins look foolish

Barwin is a crafty veteran who knows all the moves and have been embarrassing linemen all camp.

Got a look at the new OT and I think he has better feet than Flowers

Likewise Rich....you too Ed! 

Thanks so much for hanging out with me.

Eli is looking very sharp

Jones was moved to left guard today with Greco snapping (some of his snaps were less than ideal)

Wheeler and Becton swapped positions again.   Then Wheeler took LT with John Jerry at RT (with the twos)

I am really getting discouraged by what I see from Davis Webb.  Webb's targeting computer needs to be upgraded.  If someone insisted that Lauletta looked better, I would have a hard time arguing.

Barkley got some running snaps which was good to see

Today's press contingent was the smallest I have ever seen at Giants camp

It was brutally and I mean Brutally hot today.   The players even took a 10-minute cooldown break (inside) and the Giants kept reminding people to hydrate (but that didn't stop them from letting people stand in the blazing sun for an hour because they refuse to open up the gates early and let fans get under the awnings of the stands

Jawill Davis had a very good day in camp catching the football

After a hot start, Amba Etta-Tawo seems to have come down to earth.

S Curtis Riley is back at practice

Flowers had one of the best practices I have ever seen from him

"It was brutally and I mean Brutally hot today.   The players even took a 10-minute cooldown break (inside) and the Giants kept reminding people to hydrate (but that didn't stop them from letting people stand in the blazing sun for an hour because they refuse to open up the gates early and let fans get under the awnings of the stands"
The Giants should be much better to the fans...in many ways.

Quote from: afan56 on August 06, 2018, 05:18:06 PM
"It was brutally and I mean Brutally hot today.   The players even took a 10-minute cooldown break (inside) and the Giants kept reminding people to hydrate (but that didn't stop them from letting people stand in the blazing sun for an hour because they refuse to open up the gates early and let fans get under the awnings of the stands"
The Giants should be much better to the fans...in many ways.

I intend to write a letter to John Mara about the training camp fan experience.  There are plenty of ways they can improve on things. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 06, 2018, 05:29:34 PM
I intend to write a letter to John Mara about the training camp fan experience.  There are plenty of ways they can improve on things.

I agree Rich, I think the entire experience could be different and much better....starting with the proximity to the players and coaches. I get that they need to be protected...but we're WAY too far away.

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on August 06, 2018, 06:34:05 PM
I agree Rich, I think the entire experience could be different and much better....starting with the proximity to the players and coaches. I get that they need to be protected...but we're WAY too far away.

Andrew, I remember when they would practice at Pace.  I lived within a 15 to 20 minute drive and therefore I was there a lot.  There was a set of bleachers where the fans would sit.  To the left was the field house which the Giants built for Pace when they opened up their Westchester campus.  There was a 5 to 6 foot walkway in front of the Bleachers and then a wooden ranch fence that separated us from the players.  The players would warm up right in front of us.  One time a number of players were auditioning for a long snappers position including LT.  Needless to say LT was not to good at it and he took a lot of ribbing from the players and coaches.  Parcells in particular was riding him.  The point is they were so close to us you could almost hear them talking to each other.

Another time George Young sat in the stands and talked to fans.  Young had a sharp mouth and there was some pretty good back and forth between him and the fans.

A different time and place.

Quote from: Shoelessjoe on August 06, 2018, 07:00:51 PM
Andrew, I remember when they would practice at Pace.  I lived within a 15 to 20 minute drive and therefore I was there a lot.  There was a set of bleachers where the fans would sit.  To the left was the field house which the Giants built for Pace when they opened up their Westchester campus.  There was a 5 to 6 foot walkway in front of the Bleachers and then a wooden ranch fence that separated us from the players.  The players would warm up right in front of us.  One time a number of players were auditioning for a long snappers position including LT.  Needless to say LT was not to good at it and he took a lot of ribbing from the players and coaches.  Parcells in particular was riding him.  The point is they were so close to us you could almost hear them talking to each other.

Another time George Young sat in the stands and talked to fans.  Young had a sharp mouth and there was some pretty good back and forth between him and the fans.

It was a lot simpler then but now it is way too busy and crowded. Soon they will charge big $$ to see them practice and that will thin out the crowds. /sarcasm/
A different time and place.

To add, we are not going to Camp today. We have reached the point of diminishing returns. It's time to see these young men in game action.

I saw Evan Engram much more involved in run and pass blocking yesterday. Ellison has appeared to catch everything thrown his way. We have been seeing players moved around on the second and third teams to getting snaps with first team Offense for the RB's, Receivers and DB's. Shane Smith has gotten a very large body of work on all three teams. He's now listed as a FB on the roster sheet and he's the only FB. Looks like he's a lock to make the team at this point. He's lined up in so many different formations.

Eli has clearly been head and shoulders above the other three QB's at this point. I wonder if the grueling regiment has had some effect on Webb and Lauletta. Kyle appeared to have his worst day but I'm not so sure it was him or some miscommunication with his Receiver as to where the Receiver was supposed to be.

Vernon has lined up on both sides of the DL all throughout camp. We saw less Blitz packages and I think it's a good thing because the LB's and Safeties need the work in coverage packages.

It might be a good topic for discussion concerning the three Rookies who will be Full Time Starters this season in Barkley, Hernandez and Hill and how endurance will play a roll in how effective they will be come December. More so with Hill and Hernandez because they will get a lot of snaps with Hernandez getting the most. Hill will get spelled. I expect Barkley to be spelled by Stewart and Gallman. I think the reason Barkley has had limited snaps this summer is because they don't want him hitting a wall in the last quarter of the season.

As we approach the first Pre-Season game I have thoughts of how an entirely new Coaching Staff has done such a nice job of preparation. I think about how long it might take each Squad of Offense, Defense and Special Teams to reach the their peak performance. They have a new language, new schemes and packages, new players to play along side of too. One key factor is continuity and learning how the other guy thinks and reacts to certain situations. I also think of this Defense as being the most aggressive Defense we may be seeing in decades. How will Offenses adjust to what the Giants do. It appears they will be much less Read and React but still the Mike Backer and Landon Collins will need to be on their game to make adjustments. One thing I see for sure is that any Receiver whether it be a Slot Guy or a Wideout on a short Slant will be met with a hard hit. Hopefully, Goodson doesn't lead with the head.

Rich and I have see an improvement in the Receivers holding on to the ball but they know they won't get hit. Especially Engram, OBJ and Lewis. Eli's Receivers led the league in drops last season. Drops that should have been receptions are drive killers. Which leads me to the P word. I saw a lot of false starts and Off Sides this year and much more than I can recall in previous seasons. I felt the Line Officials should have called a lot more than they did. One of the reasons for False Starts is the rotation of new Centers although Halapio has done a nice job snapping, another is the aggressive nature of the Defense and finally it's continuity and what the Offensive Line Players understand as their assignments on every look.

Holding is another thing I see by the Offensive Line and that absolutely is a Drive Killer. The Poster Boy for Holding is Eric Flowers. When you watch the game Thursday, take a close look as to how Solder lines up with his stance compared to Flowers. Look at the feet and how vertical Solder is to the Line of Scrimmage. Even when the Pass Rusher is wide 9 he doesn't turn and spread. He has full confidence in this agility and quickness of feet to protect and push the PR to the outside of the pocket and it allows him to defend a spin move or a swim. He has soft feet and by that I mean he's a dancer, while Flowers is a stomper.

Finally Rich and I have been closely watching a player who has flied under the radar this Camp and that is John Jerry. Maybe it's us just talking each other into a bias but I think we both agree that he appears to be the best RT on the team at this point. Coach Shumur has to have a backup plan and that plan can't be the waiver wire unless it's a seasoned Veteran who can be a Plug and Play. It also ain't Chad Wheeler at this point in his career. Hopefully Chad is a just a Wanna Be and not a Never Will Be. The likelihood of both Tackles coming through the season unscathed and injury free is not something that can be wagered on. Solder is already wearing a brace and Flowers is going to have ankle issues because he's awkward and clumsy and has a little history of having to push through nagging injury. They need to have a viable solution to the Swing Backup and it's clearly John Jerry to me at this point.         

Quote from: Ed Vette on August 07, 2018, 09:38:41 AM
Holding is another thing I see by the Offensive Line and that absolutely is a Drive Killer. The Poster Boy for Holding is Eric Flowers. 

We may see alot more of that from Flowers this season, looking for a new contract he is going to be highly focused on keep his sacks allowed number down by any means necessary.

Quote from: MP21WAYS2PAY on August 07, 2018, 09:57:40 AM
We may see alot more of that from Flowers this season, looking for a new contract he is going to be highly focused on keep his sacks allowed number down by any means necessary.

The Choke Hold is his specialty. Interesting in and of the term itself. I hope I'm wrong.

If Nate Solder were to get hurt, whatever potential there is in this season could go downhill very quickly.

I was expecting Wheeler to step up and challenge Flowers for the ORT job. From everything I've read it appears as though he's had a terrible camp. He better get going during preseason, his roster spot is far from secure.

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 06, 2018, 05:29:34 PM
I intend to write a letter to John Mara about the training camp fan experience.  There are plenty of ways they can improve on things.

Today was the practice for season ticket holders, so no real need to get there an hour early.  If they did, that is on them.  This is always the lightest in terms of attendance as opposed to those that are open to all.

Quote from: coggs on August 07, 2018, 11:04:16 AM
Today was the practice for season ticket holders, so no real need to get there an hour early.  If they did, that is on them.  This is always the lightest in terms of attendance as opposed to those that are open to all.

The good stands filled up and some people couldn't get a quality seat

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Quote from: Shoelessjoe on August 06, 2018, 07:00:51 PM
Andrew, I remember when they would practice at Pace.  I lived within a 15 to 20 minute drive and therefore I was there a lot.  There was a set of bleachers where the fans would sit.  To the left was the field house which the Giants built for Pace when they opened up their Westchester campus.  There was a 5 to 6 foot walkway in front of the Bleachers and then a wooden ranch fence that separated us from the players.  The players would warm up right in front of us.  One time a number of players were auditioning for a long snappers position including LT.  Needless to say LT was not to good at it and he took a lot of ribbing from the players and coaches.  Parcells in particular was riding him.  The point is they were so close to us you could almost hear them talking to each other.

Another time George Young sat in the stands and talked to fans.  Young had a sharp mouth and there was some pretty good back and forth between him and the fans.

A different time and place.

Yeah, I'm glad I got to experience the old training camps, because I think they're gone for good.  I was one of the people who went back and forth with George Young, sitting in the bleachers at Pace.  This one day, he sauntered up and sat right next to me, sucking on an aqua-blue popsicle. 

I asked him about a DE named Bubba Baker, who was holding out on the Lions and they were trying to trade him.  He was a sack specialist and this was a huge need for the Giants at the time.  I asked Young if he had any interest in Baker and he guffawed and said, "No, Bubba Baker is a dog"!  I said, "well, he's got more sacks than anybody on your line" and Young said, "padded stats by piling on".  We went back and forth a few more times and I said something stupid: "He says it's not about the money".  He guffawed again, pointed the popsicle at me as he spoke.  "Lemme tell you something.  It's always about the money".  What a memory! 

I was a regular at Pace and got in the habit of throwing a cooler in the car, with a few beers on ice.  After practice, quite a few players came to know this and would wander by the car for a cold one! 

Quote from: MightyGiants on August 07, 2018, 11:07:08 AM
The good stands filled up and some people couldn't get a quality seat

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Are there really any "quality seats"?  The stands are not that high and nearly impossible to see anything on the far fields.  I did not attend this year, but the only alternative is to a) admit less people, thus upsetting more who can't attend or b) closing it to the public altogether.  I guess the could wait to open the parking lot, thus letting traffic build up on the tpke, like what happens on gameday as we get closer 5 hours before kick-off.  Guys who run my tailgate are in line to get in at 4am for a 1pm game.

Quote from: coggs on August 07, 2018, 12:40:47 PM
Are there really any "quality seats"?  The stands are not that high and nearly impossible to see anything on the far fields.  I did not attend this year, but the only alternative is to a) admit less people, thus upsetting more who can't attend or b) closing it to the public altogether.  I guess the could wait to open the parking lot, thus letting traffic build up on the tpke, like what happens on gameday as we get closer 5 hours before kick-off.  Guys who run my tailgate are in line to get in at 4am for a 1pm game.

One field on any given practice is the "main field".  It's the ones the cameras are focused on.   Get a seat in the stands in front of the main field and visibility is excellent, even better than the beat reporters have.  One good thing the team has done is they no longer use the far field in front of the Quest building on practices open to the public. 

What is Shane Smith's potential?  Could he be at least an average fullback?

Quote from: squibber on August 07, 2018, 01:41:10 PM
What is Shane Smith's potential?  Could he be at least an average fullback?

He wasn't impactful last year. Hopefully as we have seen, he will be more effective if utilized properly. I don't see his use as a receiver other than a checkdown. He's a blocker first and foremost.