Daboll went way too conservative. Let the kid throw.
That's the thing. If you won't let him throw the ball why the hell is he on the roster at all?
Quote from: Gmo11 on October 29, 2023, 04:33:12 PMThat's the thing. If you won't let him throw the ball why the hell is he on the roster at all?
Daboll is spineless. You have an injured kicker and you refuse to let your quarterback throw the ball. Just how exactly did he plan to win.
Daboll is earning a new name...Dumbo. This was a complete failure of resolve to win. This season is a disgrace and I hope they are sellers.
Dumbo should have gone for it late..then kickoff instead of having DeVito submit. As bad as Judge ever was.
DUMBO is leading this parade..obviously scared of mice too.
This loss was on Daboll, I'm still not convinced he deserves a COY last year. All year all I saw was Barkley, Jones and the defense bailing him out. This year he has been atrocious. Unprepared players on O-line and now an unprepared backup ready to even throw 5 yards down the field.
Last year he showed a spine this year he has his tail between his legs. You have SB and 24 seconds left with a 4th and 1 you go and finish the game right there and then. If you know Gano is hurt and the chance of him missing are high you have to try and get the first down.
Nonsense. Daboll did everything right in regulation. As good as the Defenses were and as bad as the Offenses were, the kickers decided it. The Jets kickers badly outplayed the Giants kickers, and that was the difference.
As frustrating as that game was to watch these are the games the Giants have to win to hang around while players are trying to get healthy and the Offense is trying to find its stride. You do that by players making plays. The Defense made plays again and again. Eventually, it was the Jets players who made the plays in this one.
Thank God for bourbon. This one is hard to deal with but Daboll gave the players a chance to win it. They didn't.
No way Daboll did everything right. He didn't have his back up ready with any go to plays. That being unprepared that's the coach.
This game never should have gone to overtime. The last 6 plays in regulation,
Barkley comes up short of the first down.
Gano misses the FG. (I would love to have known the Giants' odds of winning as he lined up for that FG.)
Wilson catches 29 yard pass down the middle as Thibodeaux jumps off-sides, stopping the clock.
Alan Lazard catches a 29 yard pass.
Wilson spikes the ball with one second left.
Zurlein makes the FG Gano couldn't (and makes another a few minutes into overtime.)
When it mattered, the Jets players made the plays and the Giants players made the mistakes.
Daboll became conservative when he needed to be aggressive.
I don't think he needed to be aggresive, I just think we needed to execute better.
So many sloppy plays in a short period.
We're a team that doesn't know how to win.
Yes, they got what they deserved with most of the blame falling squarely on Daboll for reasons which should need no explanation. As I have so often said, there are few things as unpredictable as the NFL. And today at least, it admits of the notion that Coach of the Year could be just a millimeter from Choke of the... let's just say, Game as was evident today.
However, while as fans, fickle is our name, let's not go full hypocrite and wallow in the blame game even as some may be ruing the fact that with just a tad more bad, they could be 0-8 and thus allowing to wonder who will write the book of love come next April 25. It's DaBears who have Carolinas potential top pick, ne c'est pas? Might there be a Caleb auction?
You don't think that's getting ahead of my skis any more than Kiper or Jeremiah, dooya? Naw! Just funnin' while seeking treatment for GTSD.
Cheers!
Quote from: Giantleap56 on October 29, 2023, 04:54:18 PMThis loss was on Daboll, I'm still not convinced he deserves a COY last year. All year all I saw was Barkley, Jones and the defense bailing him out. This year he has been atrocious. Unprepared players on O-line and now an unprepared backup ready to even throw 5 yards down the field.
Last year he showed a spine this year he has his tail between his legs. You have SB and 24 seconds left with a 4th and 1 you go and finish the game right there and then. If you know Gano is hurt and the chance of him missing are high you have to try and get the first down.
He's been pretty bad since his 6-1 start. And yeah, if you're too scared to gain 1 yard to get the win, you don't deserve to win. And if you're too scared to let a QB throw, then either he shouldn't be on a roster, or you shouldn't be coaching him.
If Gano makes the kick, this discussion would be moot . It was thye right call and Gano messed up
Quote from: bamagiantfan on October 29, 2023, 04:56:06 PMNonsense. Daboll did everything right in regulation. As good as the Defenses were and as bad as the Offenses were, the kickers decided it. The Jets kickers badly outplayed the Giants kickers, and that was the difference.
As frustrating as that game was to watch these are the games the Giants have to win to hang around while players are trying to get healthy and the Offense is trying to find its stride. You do that by players making plays. The Defense made plays again and again. Eventually, it was the Jets players who made the plays in this one.
Thank God for bourbon. This one is hard to deal with but Daboll gave the players a chance to win it. They didn't.
Good job, Mitch, for calling out the kickers which was a win for the Jets. Punters were both a positive but the Jets punter was brilliant in downing his kicks inside the five yard line.
For all the penalties the Jets gave away, which translated to Giants first downs, the Giants seemed to return the favor which allowed the Jets to tie and eventually win the game in overtime.
Pure pandemonium for one of the ugliest games one could watch.
Peace!
Quote from: bamagiantfan on October 29, 2023, 05:19:31 PMThis game never should have gone to overtime. The last 6 plays in regulation,
Barkley comes up short of the first down.
Gano misses the FG. (I would love to have known the Giants' odds of winning as he lined up for that FG.)
Wilson catches 29 yard pass down the middle as Thibodeaux jumps off-sides, stopping the clock.
Alan Lazard catches a 29 yard pass.
Wilson spikes the ball with one second left.
Zurlein makes the FG Gano couldn't (and makes another a few minutes into overtime.)
When it mattered, the Jets players made the plays and the Giants players made the mistakes.
I agree with you. The offsides changed the outcome of the game.
Coaches had the team in position to win the game and they didnt. Thought that's what coaches were supposed to do.
On a side note, this game shouldn't have even been this close. The Jets shots themselves in the foot multiple times starting from that first turnover which resulted in a FG and those killer penalties that kept the Giants in the game. The Jets are a good team that played badly.
Quote from: Leek21 on October 29, 2023, 04:31:08 PMDaboll went way too conservative. Let the kid throw.
I disagree. This game and the Buffalo game came down to the wire because of run calls and giving their outstanding defense a chance to win them games. They came within a yard in both of those losses. The offense is really terrible right now, if they called more passes in today's weather they would have been blown out.
Going forward, this style won't hold up without having another good starting caliber RB rotate with Barkley and additional TEs that can run block and catch. Taylor and Jones (last season) complemented Barkley as second running backs. I don't know where they go from here, maybe there are some more Free Agents with fresh legs who can help? They should probably keep Pugh in the starting lineup and just play six OL every snap. They should start rotating Williams, Lawrence, and Thibodeaux out more often, so they don't burn out this season either. It's a shame how it all came undone this season with the Defense being such a bright spot.
Daboll made a lot of questionable decisions. He's going to be roasted this week for it.
Quote from: bamagiantfan on October 29, 2023, 05:19:31 PMThis game never should have gone to overtime. The last 6 plays in regulation,
Barkley comes up short of the first down.
Gano misses the FG. (I would love to have known the Giants' odds of winning as he lined up for that FG.)
Wilson catches 29 yard pass down the middle as Thibodeaux jumps off-sides, stopping the clock.
Alan Lazard catches a 29 yard pass.
Wilson spikes the ball with one second left.
Zurlein makes the FG Gano couldn't (and makes another a few minutes into overtime.)
When it mattered, the Jets players made the plays and the Giants players made the mistakes.
Good summary and you are 100% right.
That said, his use of DeVito was atrocious.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on October 29, 2023, 04:44:36 PMDaboll is earning a new name...Dumbo. This was a complete failure of resolve to win. This season is a disgrace and I hope they are sellers.
Dumbo should have gone for it late..then kickoff instead of having DeVito submit. As bad as Judge ever was.
DUMBO is leading this parade..obviously scared of mice too.Quote from: madbadger on October 29, 2023, 04:35:50 PMDaboll is spineless. You have an injured kicker and you refuse to let your quarterback throw the ball. Just how exactly did he plan to win.
One of the guys on FAN called daboll a coward... rather said he is coaching cowardly, which i agreed with then, and agree with now. lot of fans got very defensive about it, but its SO true right now. I get devito is a 3rd string rookie. but jesus. give the kid a freaking chance. that strategy of throwing to barkley on the sideline 3 plays in a row... just take a knee at that point. unreal. the biggest problem is when he does make a gutsy call.. it still doesnt work. nothing is going right for him or the team right now.
Quote from: B1GBLUE on October 30, 2023, 07:26:53 AMOne of the guys on FAN called daboll a coward... rather said he is coaching cowardly, which i agreed with then, and agree with now. lot of fans got very defensive about it, but its SO true right now. I get devito is a 3rd string rookie. but jesus. give the kid a freaking chance. that strategy of throwing to barkley on the sideline 3 plays in a row... just take a knee at that point. unreal. the biggest problem is when he does make a gutsy call.. it still doesnt work. nothing is going right for him or the team right now.
I think Daboll waited until the right time to take a risk, and Gano missed the FG to put them up 6, which was a killer. The off sides by Thibodeaux was a killer. The holding penalty in overtime was a killer. The pass interference in overtime was a killer.
The players made Daboll look bad, not the other way around.
The defense played their collective A** off the whole game. The fact that it even got to OT was not on them.
I'm not going to even quarrel with Daboll's decision to kick the FG. I made it abundantly clear to my wife, the tv and the neighbors at the time when I was screaming "GO FOR IT...END THE GAME!!"
There was a big miss at the end of regulation. The refs never officially spotted the ball before the Jets lined up for the spike with one second left. Also there is no way you can complete a 30 yard pass in the middle of the field in 8 seconds.
We'll be hearing about "errors" later this week, but it won't change the outcome.
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This was probably the worst football game I have seen in recent years... From both teams that is.
Quote from: bamagiantfan on October 30, 2023, 07:35:16 AMI think Daboll waited until the right time to take a risk, and Gano missed the FG to put them up 6, which was a killer. The off sides by Thibodeaux was a killer. The holding penalty in overtime was a killer. The pass interference in overtime was a killer.
The players made Daboll look bad, not the other way around.
i think they are feeding off each other. at the end of the day, if our pro bowl kicker makes a 35y fg, we win.
Quote from: Bob In PA on October 30, 2023, 08:42:46 AMAndrew: I was saving this issue for its own thread. Would you mind starting such a thread? Thanks. Bob
Not at all Bob.
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