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TOMMY!!!!
First throw is way too short
Rarely see someone hit the punter
We got lucky
Saints have really bad corners
What a catch by Saquon
This Fox telecast production tech team is awful. We aren't seeing any replays whatsoever and the camera is showing still shots of things we don't need to see
We need to establish some kind of run. We're not doing anything it's gonna put a lot of pressure on DaVito
Jared Lorenzen strikes again
Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 17, 2023, 01:10:14 PMWe need to establish some kind of run. We're not doing anything it's gonna put a lot of pressure on DaVito
Barkley had a hole on one of those runs but ran straight into the lineman
Solid job to get points on the opening drive in a road situation. We were fortunate with the special teams penalty, but that's football.
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The mistake was using Waller as a blocker on 3rd down and not a target.
These corners for the saints are bad, we should be doing passes in space sideline to sideline
There we go flott being physical
Let's go defense
I will say this, Devito is very confident. Still curious about his arm strength that very first play. If he would've put a little bit more juice on it, Slayton was beating his man.
This is what we need to work on as a team, any time we get behind on offense we can't ever get it right.
Cutlets struggling a little so far.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 17, 2023, 01:20:56 PMCutlets struggling a little so far.
Agreed. Saints of obviously been looking at some film on him now.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 17, 2023, 01:20:56 PMCutlets struggling a little so far.
I see it differently. He moved us to get points. How many games have we even gotten points in first quarter? Big mistake was he didn't see the LB blitz after it appeared he was staying in coverage. His facial expression on the replay was interesting. Kinda like he was learning his mistake in real time again. Let's see how it plays out.
Barkley does not have great vision. He needs to run the ball better
Incase anyone was curious Devitos agent is wearing a neon green jacket that is a National Italian American Sports hall of fame jacket lol.
Camera just took Teebox for a ride
Good start for the offense. Outstanding kick by Bullock! DeVito will look on the tablet at what the Saints were throwing at him.
Now let's see the Giants' D step uo!
Pinnock let that big man abuse him
Damn no kicker , may be killer
Gano now bullock smh
Why burn a timeout there?????
Should have kept Love wasn't he our 3rd string kicker?
Isn't thibs sister a world class soccer player, let him kick
Quote from: Trench on December 17, 2023, 01:28:44 PMWhy burn a timeout there?????
No one was accounting for Graham
I'm gonna say this now. The Saints are holding our Dline like crazy. They had better call it both ways if they intend to allow it to go on!
Saints best WR is out and their starting RT. Yet very little pass rush.
Sexy Dex hurt
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 17, 2023, 01:30:09 PMNo one was accounting for Graham
Yep. Better to burn a first half TO than give up a chunk play I guess.
We could have had Carr, Derrick , a real QB, for about the same money as Daniel Jones, The dude missed one game
Damn...our secondary looked confused
It's not going to be a good look for our defense if we struggle to even contain a Derek Carr-led Saints offense minus Olave. This has not been a good unit at all this year.
Quote from: Fletch on December 17, 2023, 01:31:48 PMWe could have had Carr, Derrick , a real QB, for about the same money as Daniel Jones, The dude missed one game
You really think he would have made things much different for us? He couldn't do anything in Vegas with Davante Adams in the offense with him. Aidan O'Connell is doing better there.
Quote from: Fletch on December 17, 2023, 01:31:48 PMWe could have had Carr, Derrick , a real QB, for about the same money as Daniel Jones, The dude missed one game
Seriously?
And to think the Giants are in the hunt for a plaoff game. Totally dumb the new wild card format. Was so much better before. Another reason I cannot take Hockey or NBA seriously. You are playing 80+ games but you need 8 seeds to a conference/division to figure out who the good teams are? :suspious:
So are we going for 2 every td we get if bullock can't play
Not one replay after that Barkley run stuff. Instead Fox shows 10 seconds of Saints defense congratulating each other in the same camera. What a horrible telecast this is.
Fox is a major drop off technically from the Aikman production crew.
Oline couldn't block a pee wee team
Slayton.
Demario Davis dances a lot for some reason
If we don't get a first down it's because Slayton killed it
You knew that was coming.
Did he just disrespect devitos celebration ??
Hell no we got to win this game
Jint D needs to show up and swing the momentum. DeVito looks a little overwhelmed out there today.
Although the Derrick Carr disresppect is nothing new. Does 4x pro bowler with MVP AP votes at one time -- is that an improvement over what we have now. Tyrod is the only QB out of the tree that can look down the field and not take off running, I told you he sucks
So far back to earth for Gmen Playing good d line and getting eaten up
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Defense is not looking shabby
Not good if we want to win
Carr woul dhave been 30 mil guaranteed cheaper too despite being on the field more than like 50% of the time
Let Hyatt have Slaytons reps!
Kamara killing us
We look like crap on both sides of the ball.
Still relatively early though. There is time to turn it around, but the D needs to get a stop. This is not a juggernaut offense. Not by a long shot.
Quote from: Woody on December 17, 2023, 01:41:49 PMSo far back to earth for Gmen Playing good d line and getting eaten up
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What you are expecting 3 turnover a game so that DEvito can get a shour field every time? Eventually we are going to need a QB that can lead a team with the pass
Starting tackle out ... we need to create more pressure
Pinnock!
Quote from: Fletch on December 17, 2023, 01:41:25 PMAlthough the Derrick Carr disresppect is nothing new. Does 4x pro bowler with MVP AP votes at one time -- is that an improvement over what we have now. Tyrod is the only QB out of the tree that can look down the field and not take off running, I told you he sucks
Derek Carrs 119 yards against Carolina was truly electric.
Pinnok!!
Pinnock is the best safety in the league at getting in the backfield
Been saying this forever now .... He's a weapon ... not necessarily as a typical safety
Alright, a stop. Good job.
Now let's see Cutlets make something happen here.
Quote from: Fletch on December 17, 2023, 01:44:20 PMWhat you are expecting 3 turnover a game so that DEvito can get a shour field every time? Eventually we are going to need a QB that can lead a team with the pass
Relax. The team as a whole is what I am talking about ....o line. Dropped passes. .. no running game. More than just a QB
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Quote from: killarich on December 17, 2023, 01:45:33 PMPinnock is the best safety in the league at getting in the backfield
Been saying this forever now .... He's a weapon ... not necessarily as a typical safety
You have been saying it. He is certainly coming into his own after a rough first couple games. I think the loss of Love was a big part of our early season safety/DB play
Show us a repllay of the drop!
Hyatt !!!!
Drops are killing us
WRs need to catch
CATCH THE BALL!
That was a dirty hit at the end their on Devito
More read option please
He's holding the ball too long
Pugh having another terrible game....
Is that Pugh constantly getting beat ??
Barkley needs to create some magic ... we need a running game
Now they call holding!....i knew this was going to happen. NFL referees suck
Fck it
Go deep
Quote from: killarich on December 17, 2023, 01:50:36 PMIs that Pugh constantly getting beat ??
Barkley needs to create some magic ... we need a running game
We don't know if that was on Pugh or someone else responsibility
Saints messed up by decking the penalty
Especially after we got yards
See when devito is decisive he's good, it's the hesitation that kills
Looks like Pugh and JMS are not handling these stunts well
What is interesting is that Jones looks a lot like Devito. Too conservative, game too fast, too many sacks, relies to much on running, too scared to throw down field or heaven forbid throw an interception. Even though the D is lights out
Pugh is getting destroyed.
Quote from: Fletch on December 17, 2023, 01:54:47 PMWhat is interesting is that Jones looks a lot like Devito. Too conservative, game too fast, too many sacks, too scared to throw down field or heaven forbid throw an interception. Even though the D is lights out
Thanks for the laugh
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 17, 2023, 01:52:25 PMSee when devito is decisive he's good, it's the hesitation that kills
Maybe hesitation is caused by nobody being open ? That is true with every QB
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Our oline has really regressed
Put Brederson at LG and Glow at RG, Pugh is responsible for every sack thus far.
Wild that a NFL offensive line can't understand stunts.
The last series - Devito saw something and immediately changed the play and went deep to Slayton. Pass wasn't great but his field presence is definitely improving. I had been begging Jones to audible at the line
WRs have been open. Oline not blocking well enough along with Devito not making quick enough decisions although mostly the Oline just hasn't provided enough time
Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 17, 2023, 01:56:14 PMOur oline has really regressed
They haven't regressed; instead, they're playing against better competition. Linear progression is not a thing in the NFL...
I genuinely think Derek Carr is wearing eye liner lol
Quote from: Fletch on December 17, 2023, 01:54:47 PMWhat is interesting is that Jones looks a lot like Devito. Too conservative, game too fast, too many sacks, relies to much on running, too scared to throw down field or heaven forbid throw an interception. Even though the D is lights out
My goodness. Maybe ,just maybe. It's not always the QB' s fault...there isn't a QB in league that could play good enough for some
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Quote from: Trench on December 17, 2023, 01:57:22 PMThe last series - Devito saw something and immediately changed the play and went deep to Slayton. Pass wasn't great but his field presence is definitely improving. I had been begging Jones to audible at the line
pretty sure they don't really have audibles in the offense just a play 1 or play 2 depending on what's there.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 17, 2023, 02:01:08 PMpretty sure they don't really have audibles in the offense just a play 1 or play 2 depending on what's there.
He ran up and changed something
When did NFL teams start with these college style punt setups?
Nice hold by the D.
One area we were horrible early/mid season has been putting points on board at end of 1st half. Let's see if Devito can change that here.
Bogus call. I'd be pissed if that were on us. I'll take it though!
Wow bad call by the refs but good for us
Quote from: kingm56 on December 17, 2023, 01:50:20 PMPugh having another terrible game....
Pugh has been terrible since he got here.
Giants getting breaks.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 17, 2023, 02:09:25 PMBogus call. I'd be pissed if that were on us. I'll take it though!
Yup. These refs are awful. NFL has a big problem on their hands
Time to feature Waller here. Middle of field is open. Haven't seen Devito look that way too often.
Quote from: Trench on December 17, 2023, 02:10:39 PMYup. These refs are awful. NFL has a big problem on their hands
With all these injuries this year, especially to QBs, the NFL won't do a thing as far as telling the refs to lighten it up a little with these personal foul calls. If anything you'll see more of them next year.
Go back to the read option
Quote from: Trench on December 17, 2023, 02:10:39 PMYup. These refs are awful. NFL has a big problem on their hands
It's not the refs. I'm willing to bet most refs are under orders to throw the flag when they're unsure.
Need to go for it here. If you want to be a playoff team u need to take a shot. Especially with a hurt kicker
Breida could have gotten that first
Why do that?
Take a chance
But now you've wasted your timeouts
Atta boy DeVito. Shake it off. Excellent toughness.
Giants weren't going to get the flag on that one after the one involving Bellinger.
Just saw the Giants guy om the field say they called a timeout hoping for a booth review
Saints have been extremely dirty
It sucks but it's the right call. Make sure the kids OK
If they aren't throwing a damn flag then there is NO reason he should be forced to check concussion if he says he's ok
Chuck the ball but I guarantee it's gonna be a run
Shouldn't we have saved that timeoutthere?...just spike it
How is that NOT a penalty in 2023 !!??
That drawing of devito makes him look like the karate kid
I thought you couldn't hit the QB if he is sliding
Dammit let Tyrod test the saints secondary and go for a touchdown
This playcalling is killing me
Playing for a FG ?
Daboll is not who he used to be last year when he went for 2 on week one
Taylor is no longer a starter .... He obviously can't mentally process time and timeouts
Just like the bills games stupid decision
Let's go Mr Hammer
Quote from: killarich on December 17, 2023, 02:23:44 PMTaylor is no longer a starter .... He obviously can't mentally process time and timeouts
Just like the bills games stupid decision
You do realize the coach called the timeout not Taylor right?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 17, 2023, 02:24:27 PMYou do realize the coach called the timeout not Taylor right?
I'm not even talking about the timeout
Quote from: sooners56 on December 17, 2023, 02:21:50 PMI thought you couldn't hit the QB if he is sliding
Mahomes gets that call
I still can't believe that wasn't a penalty
Need at least 1 TO to pull this game out I think
Bullocks gotta lay off the gravy
So the nfl protocol was to get Tommy checked out for not getting hit in the head? What a joke that was.
:boooo:
I like Simmons game
Quote from: spiderblue43 on December 17, 2023, 02:39:01 PMSo the nfl protocol was to get Tommy checked out for not getting hit in the head? What a joke that was.
:boooo:
Protocol covers head hitting the ground. His head definitely hit the ground hard. It's unfortunate but I think it's the right thing for him to get checked out.
Man they are doubling thibs, we need another edge badly
You only get to start knocking Taylor for whatever reason because DeVito got his head knocked which won't be the last time. Moreover, it has been much the same for Jones having had to dink/dunk or to run because the Oline can't protect nor run block worth a damn.
Cheers!
Shouldn't be picking us apart like this
We need a turnover
Defense not getting any pressure on QB.
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Carr is getting way to much time to throw
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Barkley runs straight into tackles!...guy rarely cuts back instinctively
I'm officially on the side of posters here that say we need more than just a quarterback this draft I would love to see them use most of our draft picks just to build the damn team
O line stinking it up today. Much different than last two games
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Ugh. Pugh has been brutal.
Pugh.... Is on his way back to the couch.
Barkley is playing like xxxx
Why are we running on 2nd and 17
That last 3rd down play. All WR went deep. Middle is seemingly open. Why isn't Kafka designing ANYTHING over the middle????
Saints score here we will see how d plays rest of game....
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Put in Tyrod Taylor
Man we need a QB, a RB, a few oline pieces, and an edge rusher asap.
Need a big turnover here
Quote from: Trench on December 17, 2023, 02:55:19 PMThat last 3rd down play. All WR went deep. Middle is seemingly open. Why isn't Kafka designing ANYTHING over the middle????
Because they're treating Devito like they treated Jones last year. High probability throws, running the ball, and leaning on the defense
Better get some pressure or this will be a blow out
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Barkley 8 yards on 7 carries.
Yeah, let's definitely throw $8-$10mm a year at this guy with a two or three year commitment, because he's a "huge part of the fabric of this team."
Sounds awesome.
We cannot afford to lose Pinnock
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 17, 2023, 02:58:56 PMBarkley 8 yards on 7 carries.
Yeah, let's definitely throw $8-$10mm a year at this guy with a two or three year commitment, because he's a "huge part of the fabric of this team."
Sounds awesome.
It's what I've been saying since last year. Grab a couple 6th rd dynamic rushers and call it a day. Paying them 1/10th
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 17, 2023, 02:58:56 PMBarkley 8 yards on 7 carries.
Yeah, let's definitely throw $8-$10mm a year at this guy with a two or three year commitment, because he's a "huge part of the fabric of this team."
Sounds awesome.
No way I give this guy anything big like that. He can't consistently be counted on to get short yards in the big spot. He's off the field more than not on 3rd down, drops too many passes, and simply runs into his oline all the time. ....then he busts one or two
24 on Giants was held on that 3rd down!
Keep Simmons in, he's like a heat seeking missile.
We cannot continue to let Carr sit back there with zero pressure, he's a middling QB and we're making him look like a Top 5
Damn Dabol playing not to win!...should've went for the TD at end of half
O line still looking at game ball they got from coach last week.....
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Quote from: Trench on December 17, 2023, 03:01:13 PMNo way I give this guy anything big like that. He can't consistently be counted on to get short yards in the big spot. He's off the field more than not on 3rd down, drops too many passes, and simply runs into his oline all the time. ....then he busts one or two
See the poll I did a few days ago. Most fans want to give him a multi-year contract. It is pretty astonishing. As a fan base we get very emotional about our players, and the owner and by extension front-office gives in. See Sterling Shepard getting a roster spot this year (over someone actually additive like Crowder).
I'm telling you Barkley fumbled the bag ... he had no right to demand that much money
I have news for everyone- these CBs are playing tight coverage
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 17, 2023, 03:02:34 PMKeep Simmons in, he's like a heat seeking missile.
Hope we keep Simmons ..... he's been getting better every week
Surprisingly our lb corps may have been the best on the team
The offensive line has been absolutely putrid today.
Why was Barkley falling down before being touched
Quote from: TONKA56 on December 17, 2023, 03:08:14 PMThe offensive line has been absolutely putrid today.
Because dopey gave them a game ball they relaxed all week!
Cutlets and this overall offense just can't get anything going today.
No 3 to 6 turnovers or missed 35 yarders by the opponent today. No short fields or exhausted defenses. Not so easy when all that stuff doesn't happen.
Game is sadly over
Barkley seems like he doesn't really want to play
They just need to let Tommy sling the leather. What do we have to lose?
Quote from: killarich on December 17, 2023, 03:09:38 PMGame is sadly over
No it isn't. You're about to witness one of the greatest comebacks in the fourth quarter you've ever seen.
Line sucks and no body is open. Play calling needs to change to quick throws in a hurry....throw to Barkley etc. still not big fan of Kafka. He doesn't make gametime adjustments...lives and dies with original game plan
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The turning point was not TRYING to score a TD at end of half even though K is hurt!...reminds me of the Jets game where Dabol coached timid. Much of this is on him today
Quote from: Woody on December 17, 2023, 03:10:37 PMLine sucks and no body is open. Play calling needs to change to quick throws in a hurry....throw to Barkley etc. still not big fan of Kafka. He doesn't make gametime adjustments...lives and dies with original game plan
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Saints adjusted to early success by Giants and Giants have not responded to that adjustment
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It's amazing how sometimes Thibs looks handled then he pops
Apparently they don't call holding against the Saints .....unreal the amount of holding they're doing and not calling
Quote from: BigBlueFanInFla on December 17, 2023, 03:14:49 PMApparently they don't call holding against the Saints .....unreal the amount of holding they're doing and not calling
Quite a few penalties on the Saints today.
Quote from: Woody on December 17, 2023, 03:10:37 PMLine sucks and no body is open. Play calling needs to change to quick throws in a hurry....throw to Barkley etc. still not big fan of Kafka. He doesn't make gametime adjustments...lives and dies with original game plan
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The few times we had opportunities the receivers were allergic to the football. And yes, Kafka is nothing special.
No pass rush.
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We have gotten our asses kicked in all three phases today. Simple as that. Saints have been the vastly superior team.
I laugh at people who say this Carr isn't a top QB. He's excellent
Knock out punch coming on this drive
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Adoree Jackson is awful today
Quote from: Trench on December 17, 2023, 03:18:59 PMI laugh at people who say this Carr isn't a top QB. He's excellent
He looks excellent because he's playing us
Pass rush is the blame? How about they are playing a good QB who can make a decisio fast and throw a dime at the sticks despite it being 3rd and 16. What a concept!
But heck there was no choice but to sign A DANIEL JONES to 160 / 90mil guaranteed. I mean this Carr guy -- who was a free agent -- can't play. :suspious:
Quote from: Trench on December 17, 2023, 03:18:59 PMI laugh at people who say this Carr isn't a top QB. He's excellent
Not sure if he's excellent but he is superior to the three the Giants have. Another reason why finding a QB is a must.
Glad playoff talk can be over as this Giants team wasn't beating the Eagles twice anyways. Need pash rushers, Oline, WR and a QB
Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 17, 2023, 03:20:32 PMHe looks excellent because he's playing us
No point in arguing if people are just making emotional judgements about what they are seeing. This defense was lights out and causing turnovers and winning games
Jones cannot do remotely close to what Carr is doing today. I think we can all agree on that
And that's the ballgame. This season can't end fast enough.
Looks like the magic is over on both sides of the ball.
Same ol' same ol. Win a few and they think that they are better than they really are
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Pinnock come on man ..... why
Time to switch to a more competitive game.
Not today, folks, I'm afraid.
Good measuring stick to temper expectations and give DeVito some hard knocks experience in a tough place to play.
Just want to see him and the offense fight it out from here on. Let's see if he keeps his energy and focus up.
Peace!
Quote from: Trench on December 17, 2023, 03:22:53 PMJones cannot do remotely close to what Carr is doing today. I think we can all agree on that
Maybe if he was playing Giants D with the Saints o line
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In a way this is needed. Winning close games against very poor teams hides the deficiencies. And the owner gets suckered to believe they are better than they are and doesn't make the changes necessary.
Quote from: Fletch on December 17, 2023, 03:21:57 PMNo point in arguing if people are just making emotional judgements about what they are seeing. This defense was lights out and causing turnovers and winning games
Against Mac Jones, Jordan Love, and Slingin' Sammy Howell, yes.
How did they do against Dak?
My biggest disappointments of the season are Barkley , o-line and Hodgins
Barkley had some nerve with the drama this offseason
Finally we throw it over the damn middle!....been open all day!
Wasn't there someone here that kept posting Tommy DeVito threads....saying he was going to destroy other teams
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 17, 2023, 03:24:52 PMAgainst Mac Jones, Jordan Love, and Slingin' Sammy Howell, yes.
How did they do against Dak?
How did anybody do against them? They have to be one of the top offenses in the NFL.
Quote from: Trench on December 17, 2023, 03:26:57 PMFinally we throw it over the damn middle!....been open all day!
It's pissing me off, too. Why are we so afraid to throw down field? Are we scared? They'll be an interception what do we have to lose?
3rd and 5 and we hand it off with 9 minutes left?
Kafka and Dabol are sleepwalking today!
Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 17, 2023, 03:20:32 PMHe looks excellent because he's playing us
Exactly. Carr is the definition of average.
Quote from: killarich on December 17, 2023, 03:26:24 PMMy biggest disappointments of the season are Barkley , o-line and Hodgins
Barkley had some nerve with the drama this offseason
We'll still end up giving him a much bigger and better contract than he could get from any other team for emotional reasons.
Should have gone to check down
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Middle is open again!...but he checks down!
Barkley is finished as an elite rb
He better take that 6 mil a year contract and stfu
Quote from: Woody on December 17, 2023, 03:24:43 PMMaybe if he was playing Giants D with the Saints o line
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So QBs are basically interchangeable? All that matters is the defense they are playing and their oline? You cannot accept the fact a guy who is a 4x pro bowler and has gotten MVP votes is just a better QB?
Quote from: Fletch on December 17, 2023, 03:28:02 PMHow did anybody do against them? They have to be one of the top offenses in the NFL.
Ok, so our D is capable of playing well against the absolute worst offenses in the league but not against good ones like Dallas or even mediocre ones like the Saints.
Got it.
We need a 13 yard plus pass.... and we throw a 4 yard pass.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 17, 2023, 03:28:37 PMExactly. Carr is the definition of average.
If Carr is average and I don't agree but if he is that's a stinging criticism of the QBs of the Giants. Who aren't close to having Carr's ability.
That was Devito's worst series in awhile. Throws were off he had several guys open.
Quote from: killarich on December 17, 2023, 03:30:21 PMBarkley is finished as an elite receiver
He better take that 6 mil a year contract and stfu
I would prefer he reject it and we instead draft a fresh-legged, explosive 21 year old with no injury history who will be under contract with us for four years at $1.5-$2.0 mm a year. Let someone else give him the $10mm a year and significant guarantee he is going to demand.
Quote from: Fletch on December 17, 2023, 03:30:31 PMSo QBs are basically interchangeable? All that matters is the defense they are playing and their oline? You cannot accept the fact a guy who is a 4x pro bowler and has gotten MVP votes is just a better QB?
Better when he has time for sure. Why is he still not a Raider.
Definetly better than Tommy for sure but ...he has all day in pocket. That helps any QB
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This will put us back in the qb hunt
But idk man .... I think O-line is most important then a legit threat at wr
:hmm:
But someone said Devito was underrated
Quote from: Trench on December 17, 2023, 03:32:39 PMThat was Devito's worst series in awhile. Throws were off he had several guys open.
DeVito has not had a good game. I don't think there is any other way to say it. Nobody on the offense played well, so he is not the only one, but he simply didn't play well today. Hopefully he's better next week. We'll need him to be if we are going to have any sort of shot of even being vaguely competitive in the next game.
Extremely disappointed with Dabol and Kafka today. Barely tried to get Hyatt involved and the play before half to not try to score was awful.
Quote from: killarich on December 17, 2023, 03:34:02 PMThis will put us back in the qb hunt
But idk man .... I think O-line is most important then a legit threat at wr
If somehow one of the top three quarterbacks in the upcoming draft slide to us, I would call every hungry team that's desperate for a quarterback and trade a kings Ransom in draft picks to help build our team
Carr has really stunk it up a few times this year
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Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 17, 2023, 03:28:06 PMIt's pissing me off, too. Why are we so afraid to throw down field? Are we scared? They'll be an interception what do we have to lose?
The coverage has been tight. There hasn't been much time to throw deep and on the few occasions when there were opportunities the receivers couldn't catch the ball. This team can't maintain pass protection long enough to execute a basic three step drop without the threat of a running attack.
Quote from: katkavage on December 17, 2023, 03:32:17 PMIf Carr is average and I don't agree but if he is that's a stinging criticism of the QBs of the Giants. Who aren't close to having Carr's ability.
Coming into today, through 13 games, Carr had 13 TDs and 7 INTs, with a QB rating under 90.
Just looking at the standings quick, I count 15 QBs I'd take over Carr, which puts him exactly at the middle of the league. Again, the definition of average.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 17, 2023, 03:34:48 PM:hmm:
But someone said Devito was underrated
He has had a terrible game
But I really think we mainly need a NFL caliber O-line and and legit threat at WR
NOT saying Devito is a beast or anything .... But if we had C grade Tyreke Hill who could constantly get open Devito would def find them
Idk offensively this team had a lot of BIG needs
Quote from: Trench on December 17, 2023, 03:35:02 PMExtremely disappointed with Dabol and Kafka today. Barely tried to get Hyatt involved and the play before half to not try to score was awful.
Maybe Saints foul led him and took him out of game
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So let me see if the Giants were playing Derrick Carr and Saints Tommy Devito -- you really think it still be 24 - 6 Saints?
It is so obvious that the Gaints have a serious QB problem, and the Saints look decent because they have a decent QB
Where has this play calling been
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Quote from: Woody on December 17, 2023, 03:38:51 PMMaybe Saints foul led him and took him out of game
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Or maybe Tommy DEvito is basically a xxxx practice squad QB who had the benefit of a defense giving him a short field with like 3 takeaways every game the past 3 games.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 17, 2023, 03:35:37 PMIf somehow one of the top three quarterbacks in the upcoming draft slide to us, I would call every hungry team that's desperate for a quarterback and trade a kings Ransom in draft picks to help build our team
If we could get extra first round and 2nd round picks I would 100% do that
Get o-line , receiver and EDGE via first few rounds
Idk who we run with at QB .... Jones or Devito
This Kafka
Quote from: Fletch on December 17, 2023, 03:39:33 PMSo let me see if the Giants were playing Derrick Carr and Saints Tommy Devito -- you really think it still be 24 - 6 Saints?
It is so obvious that the Gaints have a serious QB problem, and the Saints look decent because they have a decent QB
The Saints are also a mediocre team with an average passing attack. Carr is better than Devito but this team isn't winning anything with Derek Carr either so who cares?
Down 18 , 5 minutes left , Devito limping around
Now we throw deep ?
We need a new OC next season ... we can't keep playing scared
Quote from: killarich on December 17, 2023, 03:42:28 PMIf we could get extra first round and 2nd round picks I would 100% do that
Get o-line , receiver and EDGE via first few rounds
Idk who we run with at QB .... Jones or Devito
I do think it's time to move on as far as a quarterback goes the we're stuck next year, so might as well take our medicine and just do the right thing by getting at least more offensive line help also an edge rusher in most likely a running back.
As far as who we roll with, it's obviously gonna be Jones as the starter, DeVito as a back up, and I could see us also getting a cheap vet
Anyone care to explain to me why Gray is in the game on 4th down instead of
Barkley?????!!!!!!!
Dabol had an awful dismal game as head coach
Honest question
Has any other o-line in the history of the nfl caused this many injuries to different starting QBs ?
So, is everyone now done playing pretend DeVito is an NFL QB?
Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 17, 2023, 03:48:18 PMI do think it's time to move on as far as a quarterback goes the we're stuck next year, so might as well take our medicine and just do the right thing by getting at least more offensive line help also an edge rusher in most likely a running back.
As far as who we roll with, it's obviously gonna be Jones as the starter, DeVito as a back up, and I could see us also getting a cheap vet
If we could get a kings ransom I agree that would should stock up via the draft and build the rest of the team for the future qb....
Rather draft a qb the following season with a better o-line , and a true number 1 option at wr to pair with Hyatt and Robinson waiting for him
And the team needs another EDGE to cause a disruption when Thibs is doubled and taken out the game
Saints have 23 sacks on year. 7 today. Says it all about Giants o line. Game ball last though
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In many respects this was our worst game of the season. All our other embarrassing losses were to good, contending type teams. The only other game that comes to mind is the Seahawks game.
We are very bad. So are the Commanders and Pats, and it took multiple turnovers and missed chip shot type gaffes to beat those teams. The Pack team we just beat last week was riddled with injuries to their best players. Our other two wins were a squeaker against a Joshua Dobbs-led Cards team playing without Buddha Baker and another one score win against the Commanders.
We are a bottom five team in football, and we have no above average QBs on this roster. It's a shame we're going to end up picking something like 7th or 8th.
Quote from: coggs on December 17, 2023, 03:52:06 PMSo, is everyone now done playing pretend DeVito is an NFL QB?
I'm not.
Quote from: killarich on December 17, 2023, 03:53:11 PMIf we could get a kings ransom I agree that would should stock up via the draft and build the rest of the team for the future qb....
Rather draft a qb the following season with a better o-line , and a true number 1 option at wr to pair with Hyatt and Robinson waiting for him
And the team needs another EDGE to cause a disruption when Thibs is doubled and taken out the game
So, they need to upgrade all of the most important positions? Yup, I have to agree.
Quote from: coggs on December 17, 2023, 03:52:06 PMSo, is everyone now done playing pretend DeVito is an NFL QB?
I for one never said the kid was a star but as a fan I hoped we could see something out of him ..... but who doesn't hope for another surprise star like Victor Cruz ?
But it's also pretty obvious we need a #1 receiver and at LEAST 2 more options on the O-line
This team needs QB of the future .... But I now rather just build the team then insert a qb
Every qb that we have played this season has limped , concussed or been straight injured
Like Jones or not .... I rather not have another qb go through that o-line he'll be did
Quote from: coggs on December 17, 2023, 03:52:06 PMSo, is everyone now done playing pretend DeVito is an NFL QB?
I got buried the past week for calling him a great story but a high level backup so I'm hopeful.
Neither Devito or Jones is the longterm answer and the franchise is going to continue to be embarrassing on offense until we find someone.
This is the year you get a Qb because this is the year with multiple elite QB prospects.
There are none of those next year, there may be 1 and the likelihood we get them is slim so we need to grab a guy this year while we have the option to do so.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 17, 2023, 03:54:09 PMIn many respects this was our worst game of the season. All our other embarrassing losses were to good, contending type teams. The only other game that comes to mind is the Seahawks game.
We are very bad. So are the Commanders and Pats, and it took multiple turnovers and missed chip shot type gaffes to beat those teams. The Pack team we just beat last week was riddled with injuries to their best players. Our other two wins were a squeaker against a Joshua Dobbs-led Cards team playing without Buddha Baker and another one score win against the Commanders.
We are a bottom five team in football, and we have no above average QBs on this roster. It's a shame we're going to end up picking something like 7th or 8th.
The Jets and Bills were also embarrassing losses for how the game ended. Atleast the Bills are a good team, though.
Quote from: jgrangers2 on December 17, 2023, 03:42:53 PMThe Saints are also a mediocre team with an average passing attack. Carr is better than Devito but this team isn't winning anything with Derek Carr either so who cares?
That is like saying who cares if ithe Gaints winning.
Look is this a Super bowl team if the Giants told Jones to take a hike when he asked for 45 million and just signed Carr instead of 30 MILLION less guaranteed? No, but you have to start somewhere. The Saints were a below .500 team and now they are not. they are improving while we lok to be regressing.
Terrible performance in a lowkey big spot.
I'm trying to support Daboll but I'm continually left wanting more. I don't like this offensive scheme - I still see no QB under center / comprehensive run game. They had a good idea using Glow at TE but why not get into power run formations while you do it? And stay with it? Feature Barkley in new ways, out of favorable running formations, that keep the defense guessing week to week. Build play action off the run looks.
They do none of this. Shotgun inside handoffs every week. Everything helter-skelter, nothing executed crisply. No timely or interesting play calls in key situations. Great coaches manufacture 1st downs and keep their offense on the field with scheme, too. I haven't seen much of that this year.
Look at Carr. A middling QB - but he attacks. He threatens. His receivers make tough catches.
This offense just doesn't look well-coached, and this is much more concerning to me than the QB situation. And now we probably get 3 new coordinators next year? Not feeling it.
Quote from: 4 Aces on December 17, 2023, 04:52:09 PMTerrible performance in a lowkey big spot.
I'm trying to support Daboll but I'm continually left wanting more. I don't like this offensive scheme - I still see no QB under center / comprehensive run game. They had a good idea using Glow at TE but why not get into power run formations while you do it? And stay with it? Feature Barkley in new ways, out of favorable running formations, that keep the defense guessing week to week. Build play action off the run looks.
They do none of this. Shotgun inside handoffs every week. Everything helter-skelter, nothing executed crisply. No timely or interesting play calls in key situations. Great coaches manufacture 1st downs and keep their offense on the field with scheme, too. I haven't seen much of that this year.
Look at Carr. A middling QB - but he attacks. He threatens. His receivers make tough catches.
This offense just doesn't look well-coached, and this is much more concerning to me than the QB situation. And now we probably get 3 new coordinators next year? Not feeling it.
They only have 1 good OLinemen. How is bringing in 6 OL regularly going to help?
Quote from: Woody on December 17, 2023, 03:35:45 PMCarr has really stunk it up a few times this year
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What games were those? It looks to me like he has had more of like a game manager type season, while his numbers were not high -- they certainly do not indicate anything that shows like a 4 interception game .
I guess people will stubbornly cling to their emotional judgements so no sense in arguing. Carr is a good QB. Again, since when do avg. QBs have 4X pro bowl and MVP votes?
I suppose the argument look-at-the-rest-of-the-team only works for Giants QBs and not Carr? The difference is that Carr actually
has played well at one time. But yeah let's pretend Devito is anything more than QB3 material.
As to why he is not playing for the Raiders. The opwner of that team isn't Mara, that is why
Quote from: Fletch on December 18, 2023, 09:28:33 AMWhat games were those? It looks to me like he has had more of like a game manager type season, while his numbers were not high -- they certainly do not indicate anything that shows like a 4 interception game .
I guess people will stubbornly cling to their emotional judgements so no sense in arguing. Carr is a good QB. Again, since when do avg. QBs have 4X pro bowl and MVP votes?
I suppose the argument look-at-the-rest-of-the-team only works for Giants QBs and not Carr? The difference is that Carr actually has played well at one time. But yeah let's pretend Devito is anything more than QB3 material.
As to why he is not playing for the Raiders. The opwner of that team isn't Mara, that is why
Take Carr personal stats out of equation . If most QBs have the time to throw as he did yesterday...they will do very well.
He was only pressured a few times and has pretty good receivers but at 7-7 is he a guy that can carry an offense by himself as many want a Giants QB to be ?
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Quote from: Woody on December 18, 2023, 09:46:55 AMTake Carr personal stats out of equation . If most QBs have the time to throw as he did yesterday...they will do very well.
He was only pressured a few times and has pretty good receivers but at 7-7 is he a guy that can carry an offense by himself as many want a Giants QB to be ?
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Cool, that's one game. How about the other decade of objective data, which clearly indicate Carr is a good QB? Unless you're going to argue that OAK was some superior team? Carr is a pro bowl, very good QB. Is he a top 10 QB...no, which is why he's no longer in Oak. In todays NFL, you need a top 10 type QB to win SBs
Quote from: killarich on December 17, 2023, 03:57:39 PMI for one never said the kid was a star but as a fan I hoped we could see something out of him ..... but who doesn't hope for another surprise star like Victor Cruz ?
But it's also pretty obvious we need a #1 receiver and at LEAST 2 more options on the O-line
This team needs QB of the future .... But I now rather just build the team then insert a qb
Every qb that we have played this season has limped , concussed or been straight injured
Like Jones or not .... I rather not have another qb go through that o-line he'll be did
People say this with every UDFA. I guess if they say it often enough, eventually they will be right. Same with late round OL picks. People always think they are going to be the same as Diehl. Not going to happen to often.
Quote from: Fletch on December 18, 2023, 09:28:33 AMWhat games were those? It looks to me like he has had more of like a game manager type season, while his numbers were not high -- they certainly do not indicate anything that shows like a 4 interception game .
I guess people will stubbornly cling to their emotional judgements so no sense in arguing. Carr is a good QB. Again, since when do avg. QBs have 4X pro bowl and MVP votes?
I suppose the argument look-at-the-rest-of-the-team only works for Giants QBs and not Carr? The difference is that Carr actually has played well at one time. But yeah let's pretend Devito is anything more than QB3 material.
As to why he is not playing for the Raiders. The opwner of that team isn't Mara, that is why
Who is pretending Devito is more than QB 3 material ...I think most feel he has been able to prove he can be a capable QB in the league as a backup but not a top 10 guy whoever they may be
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Quote from: Woody on December 18, 2023, 11:49:23 AMWho is pretending Devito is more than QB 3 material ...I think most feel he has been able to prove he can be a capable QB in the league as a backup but not a top 10 guy whoever they may be
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Um.... I think we know that one guy.
Quote from: Woody on December 18, 2023, 09:46:55 AMTake Carr personal stats out of equation . If most QBs have the time to throw as he did yesterday...they will do very well.
He was only pressured a few times and has pretty good receivers but at 7-7 is he a guy that can carry an offense by himself as many want a Giants QB to be ?
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Who is expecting that? Josh Allen could not do that . That is why they started running the ball more and kicked the pants off Cowboys last night. I do expect a QB that can actually see a blitz coming can actually read a defense and not take off running at the drop of a hat and miss like 50 PER CENT OF THE GAMES , AFTER BEING A 5 YEAR PRO.
Where do you think we will be picking at 5-12?