Hard luck QB or another Dak Prescott
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Quote from: MightyGiants on January 22, 2024, 07:09:54 PMHard luck QB or another Dak Prescott
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Great or not, without Josh Allen the Bills are a losing team. And if Diggs makes that catch on a ball that went through his hands, the discussion would be much different.
Bill's could really use a deep threat at the WR position. Diggs, as good as he is, is not a take the top off the defense guy.
Josh Allen carried that team in 2023.
How many passes do his receivers/backs need to drop? Did Allen miss a FG that would've tied the game?
Is he without fault? Hardly. He should've hit Diggs underneath instead of throwing to the end zone on that final drive.
Josh did his part .. HC lost that game on the 4th down
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Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 22, 2024, 07:34:13 PMBill's could really use a deep threat at the WR position. Diggs, as good as he is, is not a take the top off the defense guy.
Can you imagine Jalin Hyatt and Josh Allen...
Quote from: Ed Vette on January 22, 2024, 08:44:48 PMCan you imagine Jalin Hyatt and Josh Allen...
When I wrote that I was thinking of someone like Slayton, but Hyatt may be a better example. It would open up a lot of the intermediate stuff for Diggs where he attracts a lot of attention.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 22, 2024, 08:54:03 PMWhen I wrote that I was thinking of someone like Slayton, but Hyatt may be a better example. It would open up a lot of the intermediate stuff for Diggs where he attracts a lot of attention.
I remember Rich pointing it out months ago and he's right. A team needs two top receivers. They can't double both. Ideally is a slot, a number one and a deep threat like the Giants had in 2011. They have the rushing attack in Buffalo.
Quote from: katkavage on January 22, 2024, 07:25:22 PMGreat or not, without Josh Allen the Bills are a losing team. And if Diggs makes that catch on a ball that went through his hands, the discussion would be much different.
As the Bills were going in that direction on the field, the wind was a constant 20+ mph. The most blatant example of it was the missed game winning FG attempt. Allen's long bomb to Diggs, a missile of a throw, ended up hitting the outside edge of Diggs' right hand and off his body which clearly points the wind impacted the descent of the ball.
With a defender all over him, Diggs wasn't able to make the adjustment needed to catch the wayward ball.
It was a great throw; however, on a night like that, it was a difficult catch. If I remember correctly, Gary Clark could have lit up Giants Stadium in the 1986 NFC Championship but a similar phenomenon happened to him on Giants Stadium and the swirling 40+ mph winds. Schroeder appeared to deliver it to him but he dropped it.
Winds can have an effect on a receiver catching a ball.
Peace!
In the playoffs, the importance of the QB is magnified even more so than in the regular season.
Losing to the Bills at home earlier this year proved to be a great advantage to the Chiefs on Sunday.
Best QB mostly wins playoff games, and yesterday Mahomes was simply a tiny bit better than Allen. In the earlier game it was the other way around. Two great teams, one had to lose. Criticism of Allen was not justified, IMO.
Bob
Lost Gabe Davis to injury and Diggs became a non factor at the end of the season and in the playoffs. A number one receiver who completely tailed off.
3 weeks ago there was a potential that the Bills didn't even make the post season if the Jags won in week 18 and the Bills lost.
Despite that Allan has put up 50 air and rushing TDs this season despite the offense having what was perceived to be a down year.
I don't think he's the problem there.
If anybody watches the Bills and thinks Josh Allen is the problem, you're out of your mind. This is a prime example of how "analysts" don't really know how to view the QB position so they lean on things like wins to compare. Two years ago, Josh Allen led Buffalo into KC and TWICE drove his team down the field for a lead with under 2 minutes to go only for his defense to give it right back.
If Diggs makes that deep catch or Dawkins doesn't get walked back into him on the throw to Shakir, we might be having an entirely different discussion today.
Quote from: jgrangers2 on January 23, 2024, 06:42:34 PMIf anybody watches the Bills and thinks Josh Allen is the problem, you're out of your mind. This is a prime example of how "analysts" don't really know how to view the QB position so they lean on things like wins to compare. Two years ago, Josh Allen led Buffalo into KC and TWICE drove his team down the field for a lead with under 2 minutes to go only for his defense to give it right back.
If Diggs makes that deep catch or Dawkins doesn't get walked back into him on the throw to Shakir, we might be having an entirely different discussion today.
Not sure JA is the slam dunk you believe him to be. I was quite surprised by this stat as I would have guessed Josh was in the top 10.
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1. Aaron Rodgers (NYJ) - 103.6
2. Patrick Mahomes (KC) - 103.5
3. Deshaun Watson (CLE) - 100.8
4. Russell Wilson (DEN) - 100.0
5. Dak Prescott (DAL) - 99.0
6. Joe Burrow (CIN) - 98.6
7. Kirk Cousins (MIN) - 98.2
8. Lamar Jackson (BAL) - 98.0
9. Jimmy Garoppolo (LV) - 97.6
10. Tua Tagovailoa (MIA) - 97.1
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1. Aaron Rodgers (NYJ) - 103.6
2. Patrick Mahomes (KC) - 103.5
3. Deshaun Watson (CLE) - 100.8
4. Russell Wilson (DEN) - 100.0
5. Dak Prescott (DAL) - 99.0
6. Joe Burrow (CIN) - 98.6
7. Kirk Cousins (MIN) - 98.2
8. Lamar Jackson (BAL) - 98.0
9. Jimmy Garoppolo (LV) - 97.6
10. Tua Tagovailoa (MIA) - 97.1
There isn't a person on this earth who would just go by passer rating and choose Garoppolo over Allen. Or Lawrence who is also not top 10. Lets be serious.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 25, 2024, 09:08:13 AMThere isn't a person on this earth who would just go by passer rating and choose Garoppolo over Allen. Or Lawrence who is also not top 10. Lets be serious.
According to HOF GM Bill Polian, NFL teams still consider and value QB rating.
Look, Josh Allen is a pretty good QB. However, I don't think he is the slam dunk elite QB some of you believe him to be. What really dings Allen's QB rating is his penchant for throwing INTs only Sam Howell (21) threw more than Allen's 18 INTs this season.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 25, 2024, 10:09:43 AMAccording to HOF GM Bill Polian, NFL teams still consider and value QB rating.
Look, Josh Allen is a pretty good QB. However, I don't think he is the slam dunk elite QB some of you believe him to be. What really dings Allen's QB rating is his penchant for throwing INTs only Sam Howell (21) threw more than Allen's 18 INTs this season.
If Allen is not elite what does that say about the Giants QBs? Below average at best.
I think with anything like 'active QBR' rating it's pointless looking at in isolation. As MG the knock on Allan is his INTs but this gunslinger mentality means he's gonna both produce and turn it over. But Allan is far better than 'pretty good'.
Since he entered the league his QBR and overall production is:
2023: 3rd Overall 4306 yards, 29 TDs, 18 Ints, 524 rushing, 15 Tds
2022: 2nd Overall 4283 yards, 35 TDs, 14 Ints, 762 rushing, 7Tds
2021: 6th Overall 4407 yards, 36 TDs, 15 Ints, 763 rushing 6 TDs
2020: 3rd Overall 4544 yards, 37 TDs, 10 ints, 421 rushing, 8 TDs
2019: 24th Overall, 3089 yards, 20 TDs, 9 Ints, 510 rushing, 9 TDs
2018: 24th Overall, 2074 yards, 10 TDs, 12 ints, 631 rushing and 8 TDs
Outside of his first two years, Allan is better than 'pretty good.'
Stats were drawn from the ESPN database.
I'd take Josh Allen as the Giants QB in a NY second.
Quote from: miss86 on January 25, 2024, 11:01:17 AMI'd take Josh Allen as the Giants QB in a NY second.
Agree. I'd take him over Watson who was 3rd overall too.
I'm out for a work dinner but Jones' best overall was 6th last season. That point is for comparison purposes only, I'm not bashing him - his other seasons he didn't get near the top ten. Can crunch the data if needs be when I'm home but those are the facts.