https://x.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1762200037163938265?s=20
https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1762199314149822525?s=20
He's a bargain for a contender probably. But..he is what he is..good back..good teammate..not the future. A whimsical choice that couldn't be jacket ready, touched from God.
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If they can lock him up to a fair 3-year deal...
SaGone Barkley, future Houston Texan.
No surprise on this. I would think teams feel like those franchise tags are too high of a cap hit for a RB.
https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1762204248631050610?s=20
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 26, 2024, 03:08:01 PMIf they can lock him up to a fair 3-year deal...
My definition of fair is no more than $6.5M/yr with performance incentives. I don't want the aggregate to be more than $21M/10M guaranteed over the 3 years. I'm comfortable taking our chance in the draft or securing a cheaper alternative.
I'm glad the Giants chose not to franchise him; it's unlikely he'll secure $12M/yr in this market.
He was never going to be tagged again at that number. No chance!
Lets see what others want to offer him
Like Zeke I doubt he gets an offer acceptable to him
He will sign early next season by a RB hungry team.....I have no idea who would step up. It wont be the Giants
He's a decent back, we need an exceptional one
No tag for Pollard, Henry, or Ekeler either. I can guarantee you there's some collusion going on amongst owners - nothing formal, mind you, but more of a "we have a chance to get things under control with this position this offseason".
None of these guys are going to be happy when all is said and done. Maybe Jacobs. But I don't see anyone else getting the contract they think they deserve.
Giants should match whatever he gets offered. If we get a new QB, it's essential he has Saquon to help the pressure.
Quote from: EliWasrobbed on February 26, 2024, 07:50:37 PMGiants should match whatever he gets offered. If we get a new QB, it's essential he has Saquon to help the pressure.
Because Barkley helped so much with the pressure over the last 3+years? He's a below average pass protector and has demonstrated below average hands over the last few seasons; I simply don't under how the 27 year old Barkley negates pressure on a rookie QB. The Giants will need guards and WRs to aid a rookie QB...
Quote from: kingm56 on February 26, 2024, 09:55:01 PMBecause Barkley helped so much with the pressure over the last 3+years? He's a below average pass protector and has demonstrated below average hands over the last few seasons; I simply don't under how the 27 year old Barkley negates pressure on a rookie QB. The Giants will need guards and WRs to aid a rookie QB...
You underestimate just how awful Tommy and DJ were in regards to their responsiblity for pressures (dead last in tleague) as said by PFF. It is essential we keep him IF we get a rookie QB, you are trusting Eric Gray instead?
I am talking about schemes the defense has when playing against the Giants. No one was worried about DJ, they were worried avbout Saquon which affected his numbers. Give him a better QB like Drake or Daniels and the offense becomes a top 15 offesnse or so next year.
Quote from: londonblue on February 26, 2024, 03:22:47 PMSaGone Barkley, future Houston Texan.
How about a future Philadelphi Eagle or a future Washington Commander? How about a future Dallas Cowboy ?
I think the no-tag is the right call.
I can't see him getting close to what was offered last year, especially considering who else is on the market.
With the other rbs on the market they're value will be suppressed even more. Why pay a franchise rate when you can get another for less? Guarantee that at least 2 of the Henry, Jacobs, Barkley, Pollard group are still free agents after the draft
Besides, we can draft a decent running back and make sure he has the traits we need, like blocking and receiving. There are always many options in the draft, we just need to be better at selecting the right guys with the right skillsets to be successful.
https://x.com/giantswfan/status/1762496473118208389?s=20
Quote from: zephirus on February 27, 2024, 07:00:28 AMWith the other rbs on the market they're value will be suppressed even more. Why pay a franchise rate when you can get another for less? Guarantee that at least 2 of the Henry, Jacobs, Barkley, Pollard group are still free agents after the draft
I think it's likely more than one will end up as a week 2 vested vet signing if there isn't some significant injuries during camp.
So what is the plan at RB if Barkley signs elsewhere? Gray starts with a drafted rookie as backup? Getting a rookie RB sounds great, but there is no guarantee that the rookie pans out, even though many think starting caliber RBs can easily be found in later rounds. If that's the case why haven't any late round Giants RBs panned out? Last one was Bradshaw if I remember correctly.
Quote from: sooners56 on February 27, 2024, 12:11:15 PMSo what is the plan at RB if Barkley signs elsewhere? Gray starts with a drafted rookie as backup? Getting a rookie RB sounds great, but there is no guarantee that the rookie pans out, even though many think starting caliber RBs can easily be found in later rounds. If that's the case why haven't any late round Giants RBs panned out? Last one was Bradshaw if I remember correctly.
Schoen mentioned the draft
There were 12 players last year who rushed for 1k yards and only 4 of them were first rounders. The Giants are doing the right there here. Don't spend too much of your cap on a running back, and don't expend too much draft capital either.
Quote from: sooners56 on February 27, 2024, 12:11:15 PMSo what is the plan at RB if Barkley signs elsewhere? Gray starts with a drafted rookie as backup? Getting a rookie RB sounds great, but there is no guarantee that the rookie pans out, even though many think starting caliber RBs can easily be found in later rounds. If that's the case why haven't any late round Giants RBs panned out? Last one was Bradshaw if I remember correctly.
Because we don't really draft RBs, Outside Gray we really haven't invested as Brightwell was a pure specials play. Instead Gettleman always signed Retirement home backs instead of drafting one besides Barkley. The only other time we invested in RB was Wilson that Reese pannick picked after Tampa took Martin.
Quote from: zephirus on February 27, 2024, 02:11:01 PMThere were 12 players last year who rushed for 1k yards and only 4 of them were first rounders. The Giants are doing the right there here. Don't spend too much of your cap on a running back, and don't expend too much draft capital either.
Post of the off-season right here!!!
Quote from: Trench on February 27, 2024, 11:43:51 PMPost of the off-season right here!!!
This sparked my interest a bit so I went to do a little comparison. I looked up the WR position to compare- # of receptions of the top 12 guys and how many of those were first rounders. Interestingly enough, there were only 3 of the 12:
Ceedee Lamb
DJ Moore
Jamaar Chase
The other 9:
Tyreek Hill (5th round)
Amon-Ra St Brown (4th round)
Michael Pittman (2nd round)
Keenan Allen (3rd round)
Stefon Diggs (5th round)
AJ Brown (2nd round)
Puka Nacua (5th round)
Davante Adams (2nd round)
Adam Thielen (undrafted)
All of these guys except DJ Moore caught more than 100 passes last year (!). So now I wonder....is it really that rare to have a low percentage of elite players come out of the 1st round? With this info/set of stats- Would we now argue against getting a WR at #6? Or paying an elite WR- since we can obviously find a great one pretty easily outside of the 1st round?
Things that make you go hmmmmmm...
Quote from: PSUBeirut on February 28, 2024, 10:20:45 AMThis sparked my interest a bit so I went to do a little comparison. I looked up the WR position to compare- # of receptions of the top 12 guys and how many of those were first rounders. Interestingly enough, there were only 3 of the 12:
Ceedee Lamb
DJ Moore
Jamaar Chase
The other 9:
Tyreek Hill (5th round)
Amon-Ra St Brown (4th round)
Michael Pittman (2nd round)
Keenan Allen (3rd round)
Stefon Diggs (5th round)
AJ Brown (2nd round)
Puka Nacua (5th round)
Davante Adams (2nd round)
Adam Thielen (undrafted)
All of these guys except DJ Moore caught more than 100 passes last year (!). So now I wonder....is it really that rare to have a low percentage of elite players come out of the 1st round? With this info/set of stats- Would we now argue against getting a WR at #6? Or paying an elite WR- since we can obviously find a great one pretty easily outside of the 1st round?
Things that make you go hmmmmmm...
That's why BPA is almost always the way to go. Where I maybe deviate from that approach is an example like Alt. If Alt is highest rated on the board when #6 rolls around, I'm not a fan drafting someone that high and then moving them to a new position.
But just because WR talent can be found later, if Nabers or Odunze are the hugest rated guy available, they should jump on them at #6.
A lot of the Houston insiders are saying saquan and cj Stroud have been in communication a lot and want to team up etc and we can only hope this comes true.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 29, 2024, 06:51:23 PMA lot of the Houston insiders are saying saquan and cj Stroud have been in communication a lot and want to team up etc and we can only hope this comes true.
Houston makes sense. They're a playoff team, they have a QB on a rookie deal, and their incumbent lead back (Damon Pierce) seems pretty limited.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 27, 2024, 10:15:52 AMhttps://x.com/giantswfan/status/1762496473118208389?s=20
Really dont understand why they would tag him or why its even on the table. Let him go get offers from other teams and see how much he is worth. Would guess that the average per year will be less than the tag, and it won't count 100% against the cap next year.
They know he wants to be a Giant. So if he gets an offer that seems reasonable to the Giants they can match it and keep him if they want.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 01, 2024, 06:55:56 AMReally dont understand why they would tag him or why its even on the table. Let him go get offers from other teams and see how much he is worth. Would guess that the average per year will be less than the tag, and it won't count 100% against the cap next year.
They know he wants to be a Giant. So if he gets an offer that seems reasonable to the Giants they can match it and keep him if they want.
This whole narrative of him wanting to be a "Giant for life" is a bit overblown in my opinion. I'm not saying it has no truth to it, but the guy was given a very solid offer last offseason and he refused to take it. Don't forget he also passed on an offer in the middle of the season. We may not know the precise terms of the offers but it's very fair to say there is virtually zero chance anyone would make those same offers to him today. Not after what was just an OK 2023 season with yet another injury leading to multiple missed games. If he were so hell-bent on remaining a Giant I doubt he would have passed on the offer Schoen had on the table last spring.
I'm not faulting him in any way, mind you, as he is perfectly entitled to do whatever he feels he needs to do to best serve his interests. But this whole "Giant for life" thing shouldn't be taken so literally in my opinion. I take it more as "it would be nice, but...."
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 01, 2024, 08:39:10 AMThis whole narrative of him wanting to be a "Giant for life" is a bit overblown in my opinion. I'm not saying it has no truth to it, but the guy was given a very solid offer last offseason and he refused to take it. Don't forget he also passed on an offer in the middle of the season. We may not know the precise terms of the offers but it's very fair to say there is virtually zero chance anyone would make those same offers to him today. Not after what was just an OK 2023 season with yet another injury leading to multiple missed games. If he were so hell-bent on remaining a Giant I doubt he would have passed on the offer Schoen had on the table last spring.
I'm not faulting him in any way, mind you, as he is perfectly entitled to do whatever he feels he needs to do to best serve his interests. But this whole "Giant for life" thing shouldn't be taken so literally in my opinion. I take it more as "it would be nice, but...."
Fair enough. I think last year he overplayed his hand and thought the RB market would be different than it is.
I still think if the Giants offered the same contract as another team he would likely stay in NY. I just don't think there will be offers north of 10 million/year with about 40% guarantees.
I could be way off if a team like the Texans who have a lot if cap space want to help out their young QB.
Maybe he overplayed his hand, maybe he didn't. The fact that he didn't accept the Giants offer probably helps the Giants in that he probably would be on the team for the next 2 years at more than $12 million a year. If the Giants franchised him this year, which I believe they (and he) don't want them to do, I think it's in the neighborhood of $12 m a year.
I think he's almost definitely leaving and the club that makes the most sense is Houston. They have Cap money, they are a team on the rise with a young QB on a great contract, they could use a RB and Barkley has that aura of a top RB, their OL is not bad and probably a lot better than ours, and a pointI have not seen mentioned, there is no income tax in Texas (I think).