I think the Broncos won't go into the 2024 season with a journeyman QB. Payton wants one he can bring along. By cutting Wilson, I read that the Broncos have to absorb $85 million of dead cap money. I am sure Payton did not do himself any favors with Broncos ownership with that so he needs to make a splash for self-preservation. I think they may be the team that gets irrational with say an aggressive trade package to move up into top 4-5 to block the Giants who most likely would take a QB. Unless teams toss in say 2 non-QB players among first five picks, the Giants could be on the outside. I believe strongly the Chargers won't take a QB, but they might be most willing to trade out of their pick making the Broncos or another team go there.
I'd be very surprised if the Chargers traded places with a divisional rival knowing the Broncos want a QB.
Why dont we sign wilson for cheap
I agree, it's a threat if the Giants want a particular top four QB. I don't see the Giants moving up and burning three seconds. They have too many holes to feed. Quite frankly they can take a chance on Nix or Penix or go later and draft a project like Milton and decide how long they want to go with Jones. There's no gun to their heads to be out after 24. They can make that decision after 25. If I were committed to Jones, that's what I would do. Move up from the second only a few spots and it it's not there, look at a Milton or Rattler. I would also bring in Wilson to compete with Jones and I think they can get him for a good one year deal.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 05, 2024, 10:00:23 AMI agree, it's a threat if the Giants want a particular top four QB. I don't see the Giants moving up and burning three seconds. They have too many holes to feed. Quite frankly they can take a chance on Nix or Penix or go later and draft a project like Milton and decide how long they want to go with Jones. There's no gun to their heads to be out after 24. They can make that decision after 25. If I were committed to Jones, that's what I would do. Move up from the second only a few spots and it it's not there, look at a Milton or Rattler. I would also bring in Wilson to compete with Jones and I think they can get him for a good one year deal.
My fear with Wilson is that his performance at end of Seahawsks tenure and now with Broncos was really not good. Not sure he adds anything to the Giants other than experience.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 05, 2024, 10:03:33 AMMy fear with Wilson is that his performance at end of Seahawsks tenure and now with Broncos was really not good. Not sure he adds anything to the Giants other than experience.
At worst, he's a better backup QB than what they had. If Wilson wants to stick it to the Broncos, he signs a Vet Minimum as someone else mentioned in another thread.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 05, 2024, 10:06:12 AMAt worst, he's a better backup QB than what they had. If Wilson wants to stick it to the Broncos, he signs a Vet Minimum as someone else mentioned in another thread.
For the Giants to sign Wilson to a vet minimum deal, they would have to break character and not play well with others in the NFL sandbox
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The Broncos made their bed. I don't believe in all this collegiality stuff between franchises. If I owned a franchise it would mean my fortune would have been made by other means. Yes I would make ooodles of money, but would hardly be dependent on it. My sole purpose as an owner would be to WIN. Why would you sign Wilson for anything more than vet minimum when the Broncs are on the hook for $39MM? Outwardly at owners meeting I would smile, shake hands, pass the caviar, and secretly try to buy the real estate under Jerry's palace. Ruthless, like Bobby Axelrod from Billions. Maybe that's why he was denied a franchise on the show. However I would try to befriend Jim Irsay in order to see if he would sell me Jerry Garcia's Tiger guitar. He owns it.
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That's a whopping tag but Wilson hasn't lived up to what they wanted.
So they cut bait rather than returning to the well with a busted flush at QB.
I would take Wilson in a heartbeat at Vet minimum. That's about all we could pay him. How do we even know Jones is ready on day one? PLUS, Jones never had any real competition for his job. It was handed to him and he never had to worry about starting after that. Maybe a Wilson could light a fire under him as he would be playing for his football life with the Giants.
Quote from: LennG on March 05, 2024, 01:57:34 PMI would take Wilson in a heartbeat at Vet minimum. That's about all we could pay him. How do we even know Jones is ready on day one? PLUS, Jones never had any real competition for his job. It was handed to him and he never had to worry about starting after that. Maybe a Wilson could light a fire under him as he would be playing for his football life with the Giants.
Vet minimum? That's $915k. Obviously anyone would take him at that price. That's Tommy DeVito type money.
There will be a legit market for Wilson, but it's unclear to me exactly what it will be. He also might decide to wait for someone to get hurt if he doesn't like the offers.
I think what's lost on the Russel Wilson discussion is that the team that signs him (assuming he wants to sign with a team this season) may not have to pay him a lot of money (and that money is offset, so Wilson doesn't see more money this season), BUT that also means that Russel Wilson will decide which team he wants to play for.
If you were the Giants GM, sell Russel Wilson on why he should sign her rather than say the Steelers, Panthers, Bucs (maybe), Vikings, or Raiders?
The redskins should sign him and let the QB they draft sit behind him for 1 year
Wilson's recent tape is not great. His locker room reputation is not great. At vet minimum/very cheap you kick the tires as it is not impossible he can return to better performance but you'd want to sound out your locker room leaders before making any move. A bad team in a rebuild with HC under pressure needs unity not division. I don't see it myself tbh but the Giants will have more information and insight than me.
Heard on the radio that some think Wilson will be looking for a 1 year deal somewhere to show he can still play and hope for a bigger contract the following year.
Personally I don't see the Giants as a great place for him to accomplish that if that's what he wants to do.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 06, 2024, 10:42:19 AMHeard on the radio that some think Wilson will be looking for a 1 year deal somewhere to show he can still play and hope for a bigger contract the following year.
Personally I don't see the Giants as a great place for him to accomplish that if that's what he wants to do.
I am not sure what the Giants would gain from a one year deal.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 06, 2024, 12:51:49 PMI am not sure what the Giants would gain from a one year deal.
I agree, Rich. If the Giants don't draft a QB this year, I'd rather field a team capable of securing a QB in 2025. Even if the Giants do draft thier QB in 2024, I'd rather he or DJ play to afford the Giants the opportunity to draft the BPA in 2025. In short, I view 2025 as a reasonable season for the Giants to be competitive; I don't have those aspirations for 2024.
From mid-to-long term strategy, I'd forgo any 1-year QB deals; obviously, this doesn't include the backup.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 06, 2024, 12:51:49 PMI am not sure what the Giants would gain from a one year deal.
Totally agree. TBH, I don't see what signing Russell Wilson to any deal really does for the Giants. It's not like signing him makes them a contender.
https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1765377481924547010?s=20
I think the naysayers are more interested in building a roster first and looking for a QB later; no matter who the QB is. There were so many great QB options last year, this year too with Wilson and a QB heavy draft class
Instead we're just going to stick it out with Jones for us to build this mythological great team , and then get a QB. Who knows if any will be available; let alone how much Jones would drag down this mythological great team. Not to mention, can you imagine having a rookie QB when everyone is wondering if he is a bust or not while you have an all pro defense or WR corp or whatever.
Quote from: Fletch on March 06, 2024, 02:00:39 PMI think the naysayers are more interested in building a roster first and looking for a QB later; no matter who the QB is. There were so many great QB options last year, this year too with Wilson and a QB heavy draft class
The Panthers were in a terrible position to draft and develop a QB. Yet, they traded up to the first pick in the draft and drafted Bryce Young. How did that work out?
Consider some of the top QBs drafted by teams not prepared to develop a QB
Jags too Trever Lawerence who had one trip the playoffs and Lawerence hasn't lived up to his pre-draft billing
The Chargers took Herbert. One trip (and no wins) to the playoffs, they are even drafting ahead of the Giants this season.
The Bengals took Burrow and even gave him a few weapons. They made one trip to the Super Bowl (only to lose), and Burrow seems to be hurt more than he is healthy.
You can see the Giants and DJ, you can see the Jets and Zach Wilson/Sam Darnold, you can see the Bears and Justin Fields, I could name more, but I think I made my point
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 06, 2024, 02:20:50 PMThe Panthers were in a terrible position to draft and develop a QB. Yet, they traded up to the first pick in the draft and drafted Bryce Young. How did that work out?
Consider some of the top QBs drafted by teams not prepared to develop a QB
Jags too Trever Lawerence who had one trip the playoffs and Lawerence hasn't lived up to his pre-draft billing
The Chargers took Herbert. One trip (and no wins) to the playoffs, they are even drafting ahead of the Giants this season.
Also it is far too early to tell about what the Panthers did, or if they just drafted a bust.
The Bengals took Burrow and even gave him a few weapons. They made one trip to the Super Bowl (only to lose), and Burrow seems to be hurt more than he is healthy.
You can see the Giants and DJ, you can see the Jets and Zach Wilson/Sam Darnold, you can see the Bears and Justin Fields, I could name more, but I think I made my point
So Daniel jones is in the same conversation with Joe Burrow; Herbert; and Trevor Lawrence now? Well they didn't win any Super Bowls just like Jones so that is the end of that :ok:
Not to mention Zak Wilson was a back-up last year, and he is a better QB than Jones ; so is Darnold for that matter.
Just to piggyback the SB or bust theory ....There are only 3 QBs still playing or 2 if you will —that have won a SB(s)....Mahomes obviously.
Then there is A Rodgers who is 40 and played four snaps last season. Then there is Russ Wilson who just got cut. Sooo not a very good barometer at all @ mighty