From the Texans. So now they have the 11th, 23rd, and next years first to jump us to get a QB.
That's a lot of ammunition.
Really do not understand this trade from the Texans view. I see so little value in moving from the 6th or 7th to the 5th to move out of the 1st round and back 20 picks.
What am I missing?
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 15, 2024, 10:01:42 AMReally do not understand this trade from the Texans view. I see so little value in moving from the 6th or 7th to the 5th to move out of the 1st round and back 20 picks.
What am I missing?
They get Minnesotas second next year too
"Delayed gratification" for the Texans. Better positioning for the Vikings to get a QB
Houston obviously didn't think highly of this draft in terms as to where they were sitting in the draft order for the first round. The second half of the first round is already getting into second tier players, so they still have two picks of the second tier players, and swapping their 7th to move into the 5th is a minor move. But next year, Houston will be sitting pretty in the draft...Minnesota, not so much
Minnesota on the other hand is probably collecting assets to bundle picks to move up further to get a QB after letting Cousins walk
https://x.com/AlbertBreer/status/1768644515651256582?s=20
https://x.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1768645985918411153?s=20
Quote from: JT39 on March 15, 2024, 10:02:15 AMThey get Minnesotas second next year too
Thanks, somehow missed that when I looked at the trade
Soooo...if one of the top QBs are still on the board when Giants are on the clock, would the Giants trade their 6th spot for both of Minnie's 1st rounders if approached?? Boy, I would in a heart beat
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 15, 2024, 11:29:13 AMSoooo...if one of the top QBs are still on the board when Giants are on the clock, would the Giants trade their 6th spot for both of Minnie's 1st rounders if approached?? Boy, I would in a heart beat
If it is McCarthy left, definitely.
If it is Daniels left, probably.
If it is Maye left, probably not.
I think there is little doubt the Vikings want to move up and I would guess they spoke to whoever they want to trade with already and know what it will take.
Jones starting this year will be the worst decision this team has made since hiring Gettleman.
Quote from: JT39 on March 15, 2024, 11:56:20 AMJones starting this year will be the worst decision this team has made since hiring Gettleman.
Not if they draft a QB at #6. Run Jones out there and lose a lot. Let the kid sit and learn. Kid starts next season fresh with a year's worth of NFL playbook/practice under his belt and the Giants get ready to actually compete with another high draft pick. They can't cut Jones so they might as well throw him out there.
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 15, 2024, 11:29:13 AMSoooo...if one of the top QBs are still on the board when Giants are on the clock, would the Giants trade their 6th spot for both of Minnie's 1st rounders if approached?? Boy, I would in a heart beat
If the Giants believe in Nix or Penix, that would be a great trade opportunity for them. They could get their QB and still pick up a very good WR to throw to.
I can't see the top three trading out. They all need QB's, the Bears are not sticking with Fields. Arizona then has Harrison fall in their lap. McMahon is the wild card. We would only need to move 1 spot, and McMahon would still have his pick of OL.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 15, 2024, 12:02:47 PMIf the Giants believe in Nix or Penix, that would be a great trade opportunity for them. They could get their QB and still pick up a very good WR to throw to.
Penix is certainly under the radar right now but scouts are very high on him. His accuracy is out of this world. He is probably the most pro-ready of all the QBs, but also the least mobile so protection is an option. If the Giants don't trade up for one of the top four, they might be able to trade down a few spots, grab Penix and get an extra second round pick and more.
What I suspected..Vikings all in for a qb..probably JJ. Giants can't compete with the Norse ammo and shouldn't trade up. Jim Boy wants to stockpile young, cheap talent.
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 15, 2024, 12:00:26 PMNot if they draft a QB at #6. Run Jones out there and lose a lot. Let the kid sit and learn. Kid starts next season fresh with a year's worth of NFL playbook/practice under his belt and the Giants get ready to actually compete with another high draft pick. They can't cut Jones so they might as well throw him out there.
That's what Lock is for. If jones plays and gets hurt again - we are stuck with him and have to pay him an injury settlement to release him.
Keep him on the bench and get rid of him after the year.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on March 15, 2024, 12:13:38 PMWhat I suspected..Vikings all in for a qb..probably JJ. Giants can't compete with the Norse ammo and shouldn't trade up. Jim Boy wants to stockpile young, cheap talent.
The Giants are at 6. That's a big advantage, teams trading down only need to drop to 6 rather than all the way to 11.
Quote from: londonblue on March 15, 2024, 11:51:07 AMIf it is McCarthy left, definitely.
If it is Daniels left, probably.
If it is Maye left, probably not.
Interesting thought. Everything I've read about Maye (seems to me anyway), is that he is declining in ranking order. Some have said he is DJ 2.0, just a little shorter and a little slower. IMO, that is actually a compliment to be compared to DJ, but that's just me). His biggest knock is that he struggles when the formation changes pre-snap, and he has to make decisions on the fly. He excels when the picture before him doesn't change and the play unfolds as anticipated
The other knock on him is, "
he has a tendency to make bad plays worse, and will run into bad sacks or throw head-scratching interceptions trying to save a play"
Fair analysis or not...that is the challenge for all teams when deciding on drafting a QB. Get it wrong, and it can set your team back years, as they get deeper into QB-hell and dwindling cap space
I trust Schoen - perhaps more than I should - and am somewhat in awe of how he is handling the mess he inherited. I don't think he's a "big risk" guy, where sometimes you look like a genius and sometimes a clown. I believe he gathers as much data and information as is humanly possible, and then takes the safest route towards his long term strategy
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 15, 2024, 12:18:20 PMThe Giants are at 6. That's a big advantage, teams trading down only need to drop to 6 rather than all the way to 11.
But Mighty,
Harbaugh wants players, not one guy. It's a better value to add their deal. I assume they'll get #23 too
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 15, 2024, 12:18:20 PMThe Giants are at 6. That's a big advantage, teams trading down only need to drop to 6 rather than all the way to 11.
If the Pats or Cards want either Nabers or Oduzne then they have to go with the Giants.
Quote from: katkavage on March 15, 2024, 12:13:34 PMPenix is certainly under the radar right now but scouts are very high on him. His accuracy is out of this world. He is probably the most pro-ready of all the QBs, but also the least mobile so protection is an option. If the Giants don't trade up for one of the top four, they might be able to trade down a few spots, grab Penix and get an extra second round pick and more.
I dont think its Penix if only because of his injury history. After last years injury debacle, Schoen so far has signed only healthy players. The dependable factor is key this year
Quote from: nb587 on March 15, 2024, 01:12:56 PMI dont think its Penix if only because of his injury history. After last years injury debacle, Schoen so far has signed only healthy players. The dependable factor is key this year
You certainly can't count on Ronnie Barnes and his team to keep any players healthy, especially the injury prone ones.
Quote from: nb587 on March 15, 2024, 01:12:56 PMI dont think its Penix if only because of his injury history. After last years injury debacle, Schoen so far has signed only healthy players. The dependable factor is key this year
Plus I believe Penix is a lefty. So the RT protects the blind side. :o
Quote from: spiderblue43 on March 15, 2024, 12:20:19 PMBut Mighty,
Harbaugh wants players, not one guy. It's a better value to add their deal. I assume they'll get #23 too
I think Harbaugh believes the Chargers are close to being good having some foundational players. He wants a running game so build the OL and replace Ekeler's production. Also get another WR. I think he can do all that with his existing draft picks.
I'm looking at this as a sign that there may be hope that one of these top three teams might have potential willingness to move down. If so, Schoen better be working the phones.
Their 11th, 23rd, 2024 2nd round, 5th round and 2025 1st round. For that we give them #6
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 15, 2024, 03:19:30 PMTheir 11th, 23rd, 2024 2nd round, 5th round and 2025 1st round. For that we give them #6
What? Is that the comp? Huh.
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 15, 2024, 03:19:30 PMTheir 11th, 23rd, 2024 2nd round, 5th round and 2025 1st round. For that we give them #6
Just a guess, but I think they are aiming to move ahead of the Giants.
Yup. Don't think rhe Giants are a match for a trade up. But...?? It's fun to dream.. :nanner: :dance: :dance:
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 15, 2024, 03:48:08 PMJust a guess, but I think they are aiming to move ahead of the Giants.
Or a trade down. Yipes.