Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: TDToomer on October 03, 2023, 11:16:12 AMThey have got to bring Justin Pugh in for a workout right?

They already did once. He left without a contract. Apparently so Shane could get more reps at sucking.

That is an unstoppable play except when the Giants run it apparently. It should be illegal since defenders can't do the same thing so why should the offense. I didn't mind the call at all because again...it should be an unstoppable play. They just couldn't even execute THAT properly yesterday.

Did winning last season, including a playoff game, do more harm than good?

At the time I didn't think so, assuming that the front office/team would understand that the team wasn't as good as their record indicated and would plan accordingly.  I think now that it may well have hurt the team to win all those flukey games. 

Because without those wins, Jones is gone as was originally the plan when they didn't pick up his 5th year. Beyond that, the Giants would be committed to the rebuild.  They would likely not have traded picks for pieces (even if I still think the Waller trade was too good to pass up) and we could be targeting next season for the turnaround as they should have been all along.

Imagine a world where Tyrod Taylor is starting, the team is just as bad as it is now, only they are planning building and preparing a team for a rookie QB coming in to start 2024.  Which would then open a 5 year window where the QB is cheap and that money can be spent on....well...everything else because the team needs everything right now.

Time for Schoen and company to take a good hard look at this team and adjust plans accordingly.  The fire sale should start immediately.  Everybody but Thomas and the guys they drafted the last two years, should be made available.  Including Daniel Jones if you can find a team willing to take him.  Collect as many picks as you possibly can and try like hell to put yourself in a position to draft a new QB.

Quote from: Sav on October 03, 2023, 07:52:01 AMI don't know how anyone can be blaming Jones for this year. He is getting destroyed back there. Now, to answer your question. The Giants overachieved last year and people came into the year with some unrealistic expectations. This is a WR driven league. All the good teams have an elite WR:
Eagles have 2
Buff-Diggs
Miami has 2
Dallas has Lamb
Det has St Brown
KC has Kelce
SF has 3
And they have coaches who design plays to get the ball in their hands as much as possible.
The Giants don't have one player like that, and even if we did, the line is not giving the quarterback enough time to reach one. Many teams across the NFL have the same problem. Look at Cincinnati, the Jets have the same problem. It seems many teams across the NFL have a problem on the offensive line , it's not like the Giants havent addressed this problem through the draft in the last couple of years, they have, but the team is not deep enough to withstand the injuries. And they have too many holes everywhere to be addressing it again in the draft. � but with all the holes on the team, the Giants are not gonna take that next step without that elite play making receiver, people want to give up on Jones already, but I would argue that Marvin Harrison jr �would help this team more than any of the quarterbacks in the draft. You need that guy who is gonna give you leads by making a play to get 6, getting a 1st down to keep a drive going, a guy who is gonna scare the hell out of DCs. We do not have that guy. And I don't feel we are using guys correctly, anyone who is watched Hyatt play at Tennessee knows what he brings to the table as a deep threat. I think he's run one go route in four games and it was successful. Now I know Jones doesn't have the time to make those throws but You got a find a way at least once a quarter �

The problem is when he does get the time to make that play he very often doesn't. That OL was disgusting yesterday. But even with that an average QB could have made it 14-10 in the 3rd quarter. Hell a below average QB could have seen Waller running wide freaking open. And if you're not going to throw it to the open guy in the end zone tuck it and run. Just for the love of God don't throw a back breaking game ending INT!  The OL should be ashamed of themselves after that performance but I'd argue Jones should too.

Caleb Williams. That's what I want to see.

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on October 02, 2023, 10:51:58 PMWe look like a small college team out there.
Painful to watch. Listening to Buck & Aikman enjoy this makes it that much worse.


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Been watching the Mannings the entire game.  Highly recommend.  Much more entertaining than the football the Giants are playing these days.

Yea I'm not sure I see a lack of effort as much as just a lack of good fortune.  Last season they opened up with a flukey win and that sort of set the tone for the rest of the season. That snow balled into a team that felt like no matter what happened in the first 3 quarters if they were close they could figure out a way to get a win when they needed it.  This year they opened up with a hellacious ass kicking the likes of which are rarely seen at the NFL level.  It's hard not to let that set a tone as well. 

I know they bounced back against Arizona but that was only for 2 of the 4 quarters.  I think they need an unexpected win to sort of get them back mentally into the mode of "we can win these games". Just something to turn the momentum of the season around.  2 quarters against Arizona isn't really going to do it when the first two quarters of that game they were as bad as they were against Dallas.

Seattle is a better team on paper.  If they can hang around and win at the end that would be helpful.  If they go out there and beat the brakes off Seattle that would also help.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2023, 06:10:29 PMI don't think I would agree with your assertion that Jones "choked".  I think instead of looking at PFF grades for one game, you should look at the INTs and the like ( @Jolly Blue Giant does a great breakdown in the Dak thread).  I really don't see any sort of similarities, especially as Jones had the best game of his career against the 13-4 Vikings in his first playoff game, while Dak FINALLY won a playoff game against a team with a losing record (8-9)

I'm wondering if the Vikings defense is all time terrible though. I knew they were bad but after the performance against a talented group in Philly maybe the Giants and specifically those WRs weren't as great as they appeared in that game.

I do wonder why Jones didn't run more against Philly. Designed or otherwise. It was clear that anything else he was doing wasn't working.

Quote from: Ed Vette on August 30, 2022, 10:04:15 AMI haven't listened to the entire podcast but it's interesting to hear his perspective and what he went through.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/30wj3cs3bfHsrI0aaYWVB1?si=BnGblnB9T6W-GDyA3qYO9A

"What he went through" was entirely of his own doing due to his own arrogance and stupidity. 

Sorry, but Bradshaw skipped some meetings and stole a playstation.  He never hit a girl.  And I don't care what the girl said/did you can't hit her.  I'd rather not have him on my team if I can avoid it.  I don't even like being forced to root for a team with Aroldis Chapman on it.

Leonard Fournette might have something to say about that.  Dudes that big aren't supposed to be that fast.  If he can stay healthy, and that's a big if, he's Adrian Peterson...only BIGGER.

But to answer the question I've still got OJ Howard #1 as far as TEs go but it's pretty close and the Giants would be much improved with either one of them next season.

He messed up the clock situation too many times for my liking, but having said that the rest of the job he's pretty darn good at.  So unless you know of somebody better lying around that wants the job we should stick with Coughlin.  Good head coaches are few and far between in this league.  Ask the Eagles how getting rid of a good coach with clock management deficiencies went for them.

Reese has to go.  He ignored the OL until it became a deplorable nightmare.  Only when he was forced to do something about it was it done, and in doing so he neglected the gaping hole at S which is as yet still unfilled.  And don't even get me started on his hatred of LBs.  It seems he'd rather draft backup QBs and WRs than starting caliber LBs for reasons that remain unclear.  He got lucky with OBJ.  Kudos to him for that.  But this is not the guy we need picking players and filling holes.

We could have had Bill Belichick possessed by Vince Lombardi running that defense and it wouldn't have made a bit of a difference.  Those players are just plain awful.

Robertson is getting first crack at the job.  They will have to work with him on throwing more strikes and being more efficient but he certainly has the stuff to do the job.  Hopefully the years spent sitting next to Mo have allowed some magic to rub off.