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I'd like to have a high enough pick to nab Maserati Marv.

2025 we can snag Arch Manning and viola the recreation of Manning to Harrison!

LOL!!


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Providing we win the turnover battle by at least two we have a chance against the very worst teams in the league...that is as close to glass half full as I can get here.

Quote from: GloryDays on November 26, 2023, 04:14:47 PMWe won the ineptitude bowl 👏

No, we just didn't lose it.

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on November 26, 2023, 04:15:36 PMI'd like to have a high enough pick to nab Maserati Marv.

2025 we can snag Arch Manning and viola the recreation of Manning to Harrison!

LOL!!


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I wouldn't mind having another Manning

Low key this is probably what the Mara's want

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 26, 2023, 04:04:27 PMThis team has way too many holes to be trading a bunch of draft picks.

Nobody that's picking something like 5th-8th doesn't have lots of holes. If they have a very strong view on a QB that requires a trade-up, and the opportunity to do that is actually there, I have no issue with that myself. Getting a 21-23 year old QB who is going to develop into a Josh Allen type player is worth struggling for 2-3 more years for.

The Giants won't do it though, so I wouldn't worry too much.

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on November 26, 2023, 04:15:36 PMI'd like to have a high enough pick to nab Maserati Marv.

2025 we can snag Arch Manning and viola the recreation of Manning to Harrison!

LOL!!


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Manning isn't draft eligible till the 2026 draft.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 26, 2023, 04:19:24 PMNobody that's picking something like 5th-8th doesn't have lots of holes. If they have a very strong view on a QB that requires a trade-up, and the opportunity to do that is actually there, I have no issue with that myself. Getting a 21-23 year old QB who is going to develop into a Josh Allen type player is worth struggling for 2-3 more years for.

The Giants won't do it though, so I wouldn't worry too much.

Disagree. Worth struggling for more than half of their new QB's rookie deal? That completely defeats the purpose of having a good, young QB.

They're now looking at pick #10. To get to #2, they'd need to trade #10, their 2nd rounder, and next year's 1st. So you're trading 3 starters for 1 on a team that desperately needs to fill multiple positions in their starting lineup.

You're trading away the ability to select a plug and play starter on the OL by trading that 2nd rounder. And given they will struggle, you're trading a 1st rounder in 2025 that will be a top 10 pick.

The fact is these 2 meaningless wins have put this team in a terrible spot.

This is an obvious stretch but Tommy Devito just did what rookie QBs can never do in beating BB. Wasn't the prettiest, but great QB rating for him.

My question is, if Tommy continues to play well and we get a few more W's and he improves every game, is there a point that you think hey, this guy can be a Brock Purdy if we put him in the right system?

And that "right" system probably wound't be designed by Kafka. The kid throws a nice accurate long ball, can we get that designed to happen more often please.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on November 26, 2023, 04:09:13 PMThey've already thrown too much draft capital at the line, IMO, with only one success to point to.  It's reminiscent of the definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. 

If your problem is still the OL no matter how much draft capital you've invested, how do you not keep investing in it when it is clearly the worst position group on the team and the primary reason the offense cant do anything?

What is the stat now, 26 sacks given up in the last 4 games?  99% of QBs can't function in those conditions game in and game out.

What do you think an improved D will get us?  Still a 3-4 win type team.

Quote from: Philosophers on November 26, 2023, 04:39:00 PMIf your problem is still the OL no matter how much draft capital you've invested, how do you not keep investing in it when it is clearly the worst position group on the team and the primary reason the offense cant do anything?

What is the stat now, 26 sacks given up in the last 4 games?  99% of QBs can't function in those conditions game in and game out.

What do you think an improved D will get us?  Still a 3-4 win type team.

Because none of the best olines in the league are built with high draft choices.  And even if it works out, as is hssn't for the Giants, you eventually have to let them go because you can't pay all of them.

Quote from: Philosophers on November 26, 2023, 04:39:00 PMIf your problem is still the OL no matter how much draft capital you've invested, how do you not keep investing in it when it is clearly the worst position group on the team and the primary reason the offense cant do anything?

What is the stat now, 26 sacks given up in the last 4 games?  99% of QBs can't function in those conditions game in and game out.

What do you think an improved D will get us?  Still a 3-4 win type team.

If as you outline, the problem is OL no matter how much draft capital is invested; perhaps it's not the draft but the teachers who give the strongest opinion on the position and then fail to develop the players drafted.


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A win is a win.     I live in Patriots country and I really don't care about draft order....but living in Pats land where Brady and Belechiek are living legends a win against the pats is very satisfying. 
Not to mention my favorite numbers are 42 and 46!


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Quote from: killarich on November 26, 2023, 04:12:43 PMStill dont think you just stop because it hasnt "worked"...  Neal may be on the verge of not working out... but we have Thomas and JMS ..... keep building the line at this point...

It doesn't work for anyone.  I suggest you take a hard look at the players on the best olines in the league.  A clue - not many high draft choices.  They have Thomas, who was nearly a bust because of initial bad coaching.  They have JMS but they don't yet know what he is.  They have Neal, who is increasingly looking like Flowers 2.0.

The answer isn't high draft choices, it is better evaluation of oline talent and MUCH better coaching, IMO.

Quote from: madbadger on November 26, 2023, 04:06:00 PMSo was Daniel Jones $48.25 million better than DeVito this season?

I get your point, badge, but after another beauty at least you didn't ask us to spell feckless. Still, it's hardly a matter of comparing the two when one guy will be/must be the starter for at least next season given his cap cost-live or dead-while the other guy, if he's still around, currently makes an NFL $44K per game ham sandwich and still lives with his mom.

Cheers! or whatever.

 

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on November 26, 2023, 04:43:10 PMIf as you outline, the problem is OL no matter how much draft capital is invested; perhaps it's not the draft but the teachers who give the strongest opinion on the position and then fail to develop the players drafted.


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THIS!  This, this, this.