Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: katkavage on December 26, 2023, 07:05:20 PMWide receiver is a luxury pick. Without a competent QB the pick is a waste.

I don't disagree, but you have a huge number of people who think it's a waste to take a QB until your O line is fixed. And then you have people who think it's pointless to draft an O lineman until we have a better O line coach etc etc.

If we're not taking a QB, I'm fine with a BPA approach myself. We are subpar to terrible in literally every unit on this team. Being beholden to a specific position (other than if you're strategically going after a QB) when you suck on literally every level seems like a narrow approach to me.

Quote from: T200 on December 27, 2023, 08:35:27 AMBob,

I don't think the Bears are sold on Fields. But he's young enough and still on his rookie deal that may appeal to some other team who isn't drafting high enough to grab one of this year's crop. The other component is does Chicago really want to use the #1 overall on MHJ instead of one of the top QBs available? I do think they'll pick Williams.

Fields is making a solid case this year. They are over achieving as a team. The smart move for them is to trade out of one and stockpile this year and next. If Fields falters next year they will have the draft capital to get one next year.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 27, 2023, 08:43:05 AMI don't disagree, but you have a huge number of people who think it's a waste to take a QB until your O line is fixed. And then you have people who think it's pointless to draft an O lineman until we have a better O line coach etc etc.

If we're not taking a QB, I'm fine with a BPA approach myself. We are subpar to terrible in literally every unit on this team. Being beholden to a specific position (other than if you're strategically going after a QB) when you suck on literally every level seems like a narrow approach to me.

With the exception of QB always build from the inside out. Meaning build up your lines and then move to skill positions.

Quote from: katkavage on December 27, 2023, 10:06:00 AMWith the exception of QB always build from the inside out. Meaning build up your lines and then move to skill positions.

I fully agree in principle, however I don't want to take an OT or DT with a B grade over a WR with an A grade.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 27, 2023, 10:09:17 AMI fully agree in principle, however I don't want to take an OT or DT with a B grade over a WR with an A grade.

If that is the case, trade the pick for more this year and next.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 27, 2023, 10:09:17 AMI fully agree in principle, however I don't want to take an OT or DT with a B grade over a WR with an A grade.

Also, the draft is longer than one round. Going with a BPA WR in the first does not preclude the Giants from addressing OL later with one of their two second round picks (though, again, this would find them dumping significant high draft capital into the line...).

Quote from: katkavage on December 27, 2023, 10:04:21 AMFields is making a solid case this year. They are over achieving as a team. The smart move for them is to trade out of one and stockpile this year and next. If Fields falters next year they will have the draft capital to get one next year.

He has stepped it up, for sure. But the question still remains, who would they rather have?

Marvin Harrison can't be him unless he has enough time to run downfield.  The Giants OL has not been remotely close to consistently blocking well enough to afford WRs enough time to get downfield.  That is what we have to fix otherwise MH Jr will be WanDale 2.0 as an LOS catch only guy.

Quote from: T200 on December 27, 2023, 10:14:28 AMHe has stepped it up, for sure. But the question still remains, who would they rather have?

We will find out. I would stick with Fields. They have some young talent. A new
QB could actually slow progress.

Quote from: T200 on December 27, 2023, 08:13:16 AM1 - Chicago
2 - Arizona
3 - Washington
4 - New England
5 - NYG

If the top 5 remains the same at the end of the season, I think Arizona may be our only chance to move up.

I see Chicago taking Williams. Washington will have a new HC coming in and will want his own QB. New England is picking a QB.

Tennessee (#7) and Atlanta (#10) are in need of a QB as well and may offer ARZ, WAS, or NE enough to part with their pick.

I don't think The Patriots would part with their pick especially they are guaranteed to get one of the top 3 QBs
 
The Bears could get a haul for their number 1 pick since they probably will also have a top 10 pick. I am not sure that the Titans would trade up as they do have Malik Willis and Will Levis , they might but not so sure .

The Falcons could and it would probably cost them their first and second rounders this year , their first rounder next year plus their third rounder next year .

Quote from: katkavage on December 27, 2023, 10:17:34 AMWe will find out. I would stick with Fields. They have some young talent. A new
QB could actually slow progress.

True... a better QB in Williams could also propel the offense more than Fields has to date.

I think Fields and Daboll would be a very good combo.

Quote from: T200 on December 27, 2023, 10:23:04 AMTrue... a better QB in Williams could also propel the offense more than Fields has to date.

I think Fields and Daboll would be a very good combo.

It's all risky.

We need to hope for pick 4, we need new England to win.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 27, 2023, 11:15:46 AMWe need to hope for pick 4, we need new England to win.

They play Buffalo and the Jets, and I think they have a real shot against the latter. Possible Dallas has nothing to play for in Week 18 and Washington squeaks out a win? That's probably too hopeful.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on December 27, 2023, 12:15:53 PMThey play Buffalo and the Jets, and I think they have a real shot against the latter. Possible Dallas has nothing to play for in Week 18 and Washington squeaks out a win? That's probably too hopeful.

Yeah depends what Buffalo shows up, but I think if new England wins 1 of 2 and we lose out we get #4.