- Giants and DJ - "Expected to come to an agreement on a long-term contract."

[sxdxca38]

I think the idea of Slayton getting $16-$18 m a year is insane

Yeah he's not worth that at all, that is a hard pass for me.

[Blue Fire]

Yeah he's not worth that at all, that is a hard pass for me.

Highly doubt he gets that even with the current inflated WR salaries. Slayton is just not that good and has very questionable hands.

[B1GBLUE]

I think the idea of Slayton getting $16-$18 m a year is insane

i wouldnt give him more than 6-7. even that feels like a lot.

[Blue Fire]

i wouldnt give him more than 6-7. even that feels like a lot.

In this inflated market, I could see that but my mind would be blown if he some how got more than 10-12. He is definitely not Christian Kirk level.

[Trench]

i agree.. but they cant expect him to do much more if we dont make massive upgrades on the oline and skill positions. can he and should he be able to do more at this point? sure. would it be 100% his fault if he doesnt? i dont think so.

If this is the case then let him walk!!!....if he is to be paid like a superstar then he had better play like a superstar!...otherwise use the $$ to get better players around a lesser talented QB

In general, I can't believe the excuses people will forever make for Jones. If he wins then it will have been worth it. If not then it will be a waste of $$.

[Blue Fire]

If this is the case then let him walk!!!....if he is to be paid like a superstar then he had better play like a superstar!...otherwise use the $$ to get better players around a lesser talented QB

In general, I can't believe the excuses people will forever make for Jones. If he wins then it will have been worth it. If not then it will be a waste of $$.

Not so black and white. Only so much a superstar can do. Mahomes looked much more ordinary a couple years back when their OL couldn't protect for him. Herbert was very average this year because he lost Slater and his top 2 WRs were injured most of the year.

DJ doesn't have anything resembling anything close to what most the playoff teams have. Hopefully after this offseason, he will.

[nb587]

The only GM that would give Slayton big dollars no longer works at Giants stadium.   I'm hoping somebody gives Slayton $16-18 million a year because that would result in a 3rd round comp pick.

[Rambo89]

Not so black and white. Only so much a superstar can do. Mahomes looked much more ordinary a couple years back when their OL couldn't protect for him. Herbert was very average this year because he lost Slater and his top 2 WRs were injured most of the year.

DJ doesn't have anything resembling anything close to what most the playoff teams have. Hopefully after this offseason, he will.

Again talking about one or two games where Mahomes didn't play well or Herbert producing slightly less than he did in his first two seasons are the exception.  If Daniel Jones put up a 4,700 yard 25 TD season in 2022 we aren't having this conversation.  But the fact is he hasn't come close to putting up a season like that.

[Blue Fire]

Again talking about one or two games where Mahomes didn't play well or Herbert producing slightly less than he did in his first two seasons are the exception.  If Daniel Jones put up a 4,700 yard 25 TD season in 2022 we aren't having this conversation.  But the fact is he hasn't come close to putting up a season like that.

I will speak on this from a more philosophical level if you will...

There are those that evaluate mainly on the 'periphery' stats and will never be able to see his value unless those surface stats improve.

Then there are those that grade him within the deeper context i.e. accounting for the talent around him and subsequently see it entirely different. Why? Perhaps because they see a QB who even though he has many fewer opportunities to make big plays than almost any other high level playoff caliber team out there he almost always makes them or even creates them when there is an actual play to be made.

Not every single fan fits in these two general buckets but a very high percentage do.

When the Giants coaching staff who know the design of every single play, first read, second read, intended design of the play etc. take the All-22 film and breakdown and grade each play of the entire season and grade DJ by that criteria of did he make the right play on script or create one off script they have taken it to an even higher degree of evaluation than anyone of us could ever get to.

If we trust this coaching staff especially a coach who won Coach of the year and our OC who was getting multiple looks for a HC job then we need to stop this blind hate of DJ without proper context and trust their evaluation on #8.

The fact that he is likely going to sign a long term contract at Franchise tag numbers is the confirmation and stamp if we are willing to allow ourselves to see it.

[brownelvis54]

The only GM that would give Slayton big dollars no longer works at Giants stadium.   I'm hoping somebody gives Slayton $16-18 million a year because that would result in a 3rd round comp pick.

Agree

[Jclayton92]

Black and white doesnt matter, green does  When a Qb starts making 40 million a year the ridiculous he doesn't have talent around him debate doesn't matter anymore because he's supposed to elevate that talent for 40 million a year. Once he's signed all the ridiculous excuses go out the window and it's produce or don't produce not the nice guy quiet leader, who cares he either wins games or loses them. With his paycheck we can't acquire the talent that all the Jones positive people want him to have. You wither get Jones or you get all the talent for the team with the money saved on not signing Jones. The likelihood we hit on every draft pick the next 4 years is fictional.

We can't have both and most here want Jones, so stop complaining about the talent because it won't be better next year, we'll likely have worse talent with saquan and Slayton walking and picking at the back of each round with no dynamic playmaker in free agency.

[Blue Fire]

Black and white doesnt matter, green does  When a Qb starts making 40 million a year the ridiculous he doesn't have talent around him debate doesn't matter anymore because he's supposed to elevate that talent for 40 million a year. Once he's signed all the ridiculous excuses go out the window and it's produce or don't produce not the nice guy quiet leader, who cares he either wins games or loses them. With his paycheck we can't acquire the talent that all the Jones positive people want him to have. You wither get Jones or you get all the talent for the team with the money saved on not signing Jones. The likelihood we hit on every draft pick the next 4 years is fictional.

We can't have both and most here want Jones, so stop complaining about the talent because it won't be better next year, we'll likely have worse talent with saquan and Slayton walking and picking at the back of each round with no dynamic playmaker in free agency.

Let's see what they do with all their cap space. We've discussed the numbers prior... getting talent in addition to DJ and Barkley is doable should they decide to.

[Jclayton92]

Let's see what they do with all their cap space. We've discussed the numbers prior... getting talent in addition to DJ and Barkley is doable should they decide to.

With what talent? It's quite possibly the worst FA and Draft for Wrs in the past 12 years.

 So we lose Barkley, and Slayton, and sign Jones that at minimum takes 20 million of our 44 million in cap space, then resigning players like love, James, and Moreau probably another 5-7 million, and then signing a center, plus the 8 million for the draft class... then there's nothing left... maybe 5-8 million left wow that's absolutely nothing and we haven't gotten better juat the same plus a couple draft picks but minus Barkley and Slayton. Remember schoen doesn't want backload contracts, what you hope they do and what is possible for them to do are two different things. Even if you say the Golladay money we won't get that until June 1st, the little quality free agents that are available won't be then.

[BluesCruz]

With what money exactly? Even though you don't like Barkley he was our entire offense the first 2/3rds of the season and the only reason teams were worried about us offensively. Take Slayton and Barkley away and this past season is likely a Dumpster fire offensively but sure just replace them.

Slayton will get Kirk money or right below Kirk money. Even though everyone here thought our wrs were garbage he was anywhere from the 12th best to the 19th best wr in football last season during different portions of the year, someone is going to pay him and that likely won't be us.

Barkley is fine if he accepts demnished money and real RB rotation

He wont and hes gone .....Slayton on the other hand has a strong hand to deal in negotiations

Our offense was far more potent when Barkley had 9-12 carries vs 20-30

[DaveBrown74]

Barkley cooled off in the second half of the season.. particularly in the 3-4 games following the bye. He did have a good year, but his explosiveness was not what it was in 2018. The Schneir/Falato podcast goes through this in more detail, and they present both sides of the argument as to whether or not the Giants should keep him. Bottom line, Barkley is at an age where he is going to start declining, and in fact he seemed to decline during this past season. So that will only increase each year now, given RBs decline exponentially in their late 20s compared to most other positions.

With Schoen about to hand Jones major money and with the countless other needs the Giants have, I doubt he'll throw the type of money Barkley wants at him. But we'll find out soon enough.