Is it coaching or talent

[uconnjack8]

I will say the Ravens D looks pretty good post year 2 of Wink Martindale. I'd say most would agree they have always had talent so switching to a new coach didn't affect the outcome.

Hard to draw conclusions given only 2 starters are left from Wink's D.

[Doc16LT56]

Hard to draw conclusions given only 2 starters are left from Wink's D.

This is fair but it also shows it doesn't take half a decade to rebuild a unit. This is why it's so frustrating to me that we keep talking about how many years it will take to rebuild this or that unit when other teams can rebuild and are competitive within a year or two.

[uconnjack8]

This is fair but it also shows it doesn't take half a decade to rebuild a unit. This is why it's so frustrating to me that we keep talking about how many years it will take to rebuild this or that unit when other teams can rebuild and are competitive within a year or two.

I definitely agree with that. I think there is a bevy of reasons the Giants have not been able to turn it around like that. 

[AZGiantFan]

Yes