Big Blue Huddle

This is not a rules question but a most unusual 1/2 an inning that anyone will ever see.
Two of the best teams in NYC are playing each other. James Monroe from the Bronx is playing Richmond Hill at Richmond Hill's field. It was a great game with Monroe leading 3-1 going into the bottom of the 7th.
Leadoff batter gets a hit. Next batter doubles scoring 1. They change the pitcher. He strikes out the next batter. 1 out. Next batter strikes out but the ball gets away from the catcher. Instead of just throwing to 1st for the easy 2nd out, he tries to get the guy who was on 2nd, going to 3rd but was way late
 Now you have 1st and 3rd, 1 out. The runner on 1st steals 2nd as they didn't want to risk the other runner scoring.
The pitcher strikes out the next batter, 2 out. They intentionally walk the next batter as he is the best hitter on the team
 Based loafed, 2 out and the pitcher gets 2 quick strikes on the next batter. He then throws a great curve, in the dirt which the batter swings and misses. The cat her runs out and goes basically half way up the line to just throw the batter out at 1st. But he short armed the ball on what should have been just an easy toss and the ball bounced 2 feet in front of the ,1st baseman and bounced away, scoring the tying run. I'm standing there in disbelief. The pitcher then struck out the following batter.
What makes this interesting is that the pitcher struck out 5 guys in the inning and the team scored 2,runs.
BTW we played 10 and Richmond Hill won.

Stay tuned, I'll try something a bit harder tomorrow.

Quote from: Sem on May 11, 2024, 05:13:26 PMHe strikes out. The swing supersedes the HBP.
But this question makes me ask....since the ball hit the dirt prior to the swing does the catcher have to tag the batter out? You know what I'm asking? The whole dropped third strike set of rules.

Yes he does, if 1st base is unoccupied or if there are 2 outs.

As long as the batter swings at a pitch, as you said, it takes president over being stuck by the pitched ball. I've had quite a few instances where a batter will square around to try and bunt and then the ball comes right in on him and hits him. If he offered at the pitch, regardless if he got hit, it is a strike and a sure argument from coaches who just don't know the rules.

Yeah, Bill, we've been hearing about this for a few days now. They are saying people even down South will be able to see the Northern Lights. Truly a remarkable event.

Great pix.

Signs of the weekend

 Let's get another that happened just the other day

Batter has a 2-2 count. Pitcher throws a curve ball which bounces and hits the batter. BUT, he swung at the ball  (and missed).

Is he out, awarded 1st base or is it now a 3-2 count?

Quote from: Sem on May 10, 2024, 09:24:49 PM3rd base. The runner had already reached 1st base safely prior to the defense throwing behind him. It doesn't matter if he was then diving back to 1st. One from the mound and two from the field.

Excellent Seve. I have a game Monday, want to join me?

    

Ric

As much as I would love to watch that last clip now, 1/2 hour is just a bit too long right now. I will do it at a letter time.

Without any real knowledge of what the clip says, and as to what you wrote about the missing Tate stuff--I tend to find Tarantino's movies just not what one would call 'Heavy'. Even though all his movies aren't comedies, they also aren't heavy drama, if you know what I mean. A movie like Pulp Fiction has many parts that you find humorous along with all the other stuff.
When the Kill Bill duo came out, I really didn't want to watch them as I heard there was massive amounts of blood. I am truly not what one might call a 'gore' enthusiast, but both my sons' said it may be bloody but it is all "Hollywood' blood and not gory at all. The blood is more like red paint and is used for effect rather than to scare people. And I can certainly agree with that. After my son's pleas, I watched both of the Kill Bill movies and I LOVED them with a capital LOVE. I have seen them maybe 5-6 times since and still if I see one on TV I will stop and rewatch certain scenes again and again. It sure won't win any wards but it was just great entertainment.
Reservoir Dogs is another. On paper, if you read the script you might think it would be a very "heavy' type movie and with all the blood, disgusting also, but it wasn't, and even though the true subject matter was high drama it wasn't played that way. It was sort of amusing in a sort of sick way.

 Let's expand on your knowledge now and give you another example.

Simple one now

The batter gets a single and makes a wide turn around 1st base. The defense sees this and tries to throw behind the runner in an attempt to get him going back to the base.  With the runner diving back to 1st base, the ball gets away from the 1st baseman and into dead territory.

Where do we put the runner?

OK, all good tries. So here is the ruling.

Makes no difference that the runner was off on the pitch, as I said, it is his position At the Time Of the Pitch, which means he was on 1st base. Since with 1 out and first base occupied, the batter is out no matter what the catcher does with the ball. As long as the batter swung at the 3rd strike, he is automatically out.

As for the runner, the rule of thumb is 1 base from the mound and 2 bases from the field if a ball goes into dead area. I added that the runner was beyond 2nd base when the ball went dead, but again it is his position At the Time of the Pitch, which was 1st base. Since the catcher didn't deliberately kick the ball into the dugout, the runner is entitled to ONE base and he will be on 2nd base and now it is 2 out.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 10, 2024, 09:04:00 AMhttps://x.com/BigBlueVCR/status/1788916908861063247

 It's funny, I remember certain things about this game. Like 3 minutes before this great kick, Sunmeral missed an easy 31-yarder.
And to get to Sumeral's kick the Giants and QB Charley Conerly missed on 3 consecutive passes trying to get the Giants closer. Even Sumeral was surprised he was sent out to attempt the FG.

Hint


  The key to this, and in many situations, is the position of the runners/or batter at the time of the pitch.

Quote from: Sem on May 10, 2024, 10:28:57 AMI have a question first. Where was the base runner at the point the third strike was mishandled by the catcher?

Runner had yet to get to 2nd base

 I was going to put this on the Baseball forum, but no one will see it, so I thought all you junior umpires out there might like something to tickle your knowledge bone.

I have had several very interesting situations this season. I only do High School baseball these days and my time working behind the plate has come to an end so I mostly work the bases.

If people are interested I'll post a few interesting situations that came up and see if anyone can make the correct call.

Yesterday game

Inning makes no difference.
Runner on 1st base, ONE out, batter has a 3-2 count on him.
Runner on 1st is off with the pitch. Batter swings at a ball in the dirt and misses. He starts running to 1st base.
The ball hits off the catcher's shin guard and goes into the dugout. The runner who was on 1st base was already around 2nd base when the ball went into the dugout.

Question
is the batter out or safe at 1st?
Where does the runner, who was on 1st, end up (scores, 3rd base, 2nd base, or back on 1st base)?
And if you have any explanation as to why you answered the way you did.

In this movie you see, while the Beatles are performing on the roof, some London policemen come a calling. In the other movie, Get Back, they explain the reason for them being there. Since this performance on the roof really wasn't planned that way. They got up there and started singing and playing. One lady who lived right there called the police complaining all the noise was ruining her afternoon nap. The Bobby came up and was sort of ushered away. He called his sergeant and then several Bobbies came up there to investigate this unannounced concert. It was very funny, the legendary Beatles were performing and the police wanted to intervene because some woman's nap time was being disturbed.