Big Blue Huddle

This is not a knock-on Brock Purdy, but this is what I saw from him last night that doesn't show up in the stat sheet.

1st half

A) He throws a pass to his right mid-range, and was about to be intercepted by CB Adoree Jackson, but his TE knocked the ball away, bailing him out.

B) He throws a deep shot to the left sideline TD area, CB Deonte Banks has perfect coverage, and is about to intercept him for a second time, but the ball goes right through his hands.

C) He throws another ball behind Jennings, but his receiver actually catches it.

D) He throws another ball that is deflected in the air by Davidson at the line of scrimmage, but no Giants player is in the area to intercept it.

E) He throws a ball to Deebo, it hits him in his hands but the ball pops straight up in the air, and instead of being intercepted it falls right into Ronnie Bells hands for a completion.

F) He throws another deep ball to the end zone, but for some reason Darnay Holmes pulls up as it could have been intercepted for the 4th time that night.

He was 25/37 for 310 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 111.3 RTG

But honestly, he easily could have had 2-3 interceptions if it wasn't for the breaks he caught.

They also accumulated over 201 yards after the catch, which did show up on the stat sheet.

Paradoxically when Daniel Jones throws the ball to Waller, it hits him right in the hands but when he pops the ball up in the air, there were seven 49ers around to intercept it.

As Ed has already wisely brought out, the Giants didn't even give their running game a chance to nullify the pass rush and to keep the defense honest.

Defensively there is no question the 49ers are superior, as the Giants D has got to be one of the worst in the league right now, as they struggle just to stop the run.

My point in all of this, is that there are way more problems for the Giants then just putting all of the blame on DJ.

Curious your thoughts? 


 

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 24, 2023, 02:46:26 PMhttps://twitter.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1615016971963088899


https://twitter.com/AlexWilsonESM/status/1569063900116832256

Mighty,

I never like to embarrass or humiliate anyone, as I do think everyone deserves respect, but these two videos you posted could not have been more perfectly timed.

Nicely done!

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on January 24, 2023, 02:11:42 PMhttps://youtu.be/CqI-M-CnuUc

This was a horrible throw, and one that cannot be excused if one is a franchise guy

I understand what you are saying, however if you take a look DJ threw the ball when the WR was coming back to him, and Bradburry just timed the route perfectly, by jumping it.

On this interception I don't blame DJ too much, JB just made a great play.

Quote from: T200 on January 24, 2023, 08:39:28 AMDak and DJ both choked. Dak's was worse because, as you said, the teams were fairly matched.

The Giants were clearly overmatched talent-wise and definitely outcoached. Jones reverted back to last season where he was indecisive and shell-shocked.

Tim,

This sums it up perfectly, I agree with you.

Dak absolutely blew it, because if he played a clean game the Cowboys probably would have won that game, as their defense was incredible.

In DJ's case he also choked, but as you and Mighty brought out he was playing on an inferior team.

However even though that was the case, there were certain plays that you could see the Eagles were in his head, and he was not comfortable mentally.

A) On 2nd and 1 instead of just throwing the ball away, he runs out of bounds and loses 5 yards.
B) He tripped over his own lineman's feet not once but twice.
C) He overthrows a wide-open James which could have been a touchdown.
D) He underthrows Slayton by 5 yards on a go route which could have been another touchdown.
E) He overthrows Bellinger on an easy 5 yard out.

Him losing his contacts on the field wasn't his fault either, but that was the type of day it was for the GMEN.

Also, the Giants defense was absolutely atrocious especially on stopping the run, they gave up over 268 yards.

So even if DJ played a perfect game, they still wouldn't have won because they were outmatched talent wise and dominated physically at the point of attack.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 23, 2023, 10:12:19 AMIt wasn't Jones' fault they lost the game but he didn't play well in a do or die game and he lost some luster. The after game look on Daboll's face and his immediate comments had reality written all over it.

For Jones it will take a village...

This was my trepidation with him two years ago. He's worked hard and Daboll has masked some of his shortcomings but I see a lot of Dak Prescott in DJ.

I don't see them mortgaging the future for his services.

Ed,

This was a really well thought out post, which in my opinion was one of your best, and I agree with the village aspect.

As for Prescott he completely choked in the 49ers game, he threw two interceptions, but honestly it should have been at least three, and they came at the worst time.

In big games, he doesn't come through, and his play actually hurt his team even with a powerful defense.

Just finished watching the Bengals vs Bills game.

By the way great game by Burrow, and I can now see the difference between DJ and him.

Burrow usually gets rid of the ball in 2-3 seconds, he takes what the defense gives him.

He is a pocket passer and can win from the pocket. He's quite cerebral and spreads the ball around, I really like his game.

Difference yesterday with DJ is that after his first read is taken away, he was just standing there holding the ball too long and allowing the Eagles to pressure and sack him.

This is what he can learn from Burrow, is that after your first read is taken away, just dump it off to your RB and let him get you 5-10 yards on a simple swing pass.

Yesterday DJ was going for too much, he should have just taken what the defense was giving him.

Take those little 5-yard outs and dump offs and milk the clock, spread the ball around, while eating up the clock.

We will have to see if he can make that next jump into the top tier QB's or not? We will have to see how this transpires, especially against the top defenses in the league.

This is what he needs to work on next year if he wants to make the jump to becoming an elite QB. He still needs to learn how to spread the ball around and to get rid of the football quickly while winning from the pocket.

You can add two more analysts who are minimizing DJ's performance and criticizing him as well.

They are Chris Broussard and Rob Parker

Here is the link

Link

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 20, 2023, 01:04:34 PMI'm genuinely surprised that no one has made a thread on the similarities to this season and the 2007 season yet so I'll do it without creating a new thread.

*First off Both super bowls are in Arizona.

*Both Qbs on their 4th year that had serious doubt going into the season and turned it around.

*Beat a divisional winner in the wild card that the media wasn't sold on(Bucs/Vikes).

*Beat the #1 seed Divison rival on the road (Cowboys/potentially Eagles)

*NFC championship on the road hostile blue blood match up (Green bay/49ers)

*Super bowl is on Fox like it was in 2007 and we would be heavy underdogs against a KC/Buf/Cincy.

*Giants won the 1st the London game in 2007, and won this season in London.

I thought of a few of those scenarios, but not all of them like you brought out, nicely done!

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 19, 2023, 01:04:49 PMI completely agree that he was learning a new offense so that took time, I'm not sure if it was playing calling, him not being comfortable, or them just having a leash on him initially but like I was telling Rich the offense looks completely different in the last 5 games than the 6 game stretch from Detroit to the first Philly game. The national media probably don't watch a ton of Giants games and for most of them are probably going off of our more high profiled meetings in Dallas, Philly, Seattle etc and so to change a narrative around Jones that he's had for 4 years will likely take longer than 5 games.

I like to think there are flows to a season and at the beginning of the season Jones was doing his part in our wins so I'd give him a B for the early portion and then a C for the Detriot to first Philly stretch, and then an A for the final stretch. Like I said above it's hard to know what took him or the offense so long to click whether they were being held back or what, but if they opened up the playbook all season like they have the past 5 games I believe the perception of Jones would have already changed but because it's just now a lot of people will assume the team just got hot instead of Jones maturation in the offense. I can see both sides but obviously see the progression he's made week to week and think the way he played last week is his longterm outlook going forward. That's not to say I wouldn't feel more conformable if he goes out and repeats the Vikings performance on a really good Philly defense.

Hi,

I would just say that we need to remember almost every QB who played against the Eagles struggled this year, with the lone exception being Dak Prescott.

Prescott was phenomenal against them, over 347 Yards and a 124 Rating.

So, I think we need to temper our expectations with regards to how DJ will perform against them this weekend, but if he is able to put up solid numbers against them on Saturday, then we really have something special.

Let's see how this transpires.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 19, 2023, 10:42:17 AMCowherd has always been real with his opinion and can you blame him? Until the last 5 games can you say Jones was really wowing anyone, I can't. Yes he has flourished the past 5 games and Cowherd acknowledges that but doesn't ignore the past 3 1/2 years of football, he also sees the Daboll effect especially on Josh Allen now that he's not there and realizes coaching is a real thing. There is no denying Jones is playing like a fringe top 10 Qb right now but those games were against the Commanders who he is always comfortable with, a dysfunctional Colts teams, and a Vikings team with the worst passing D twice. He still did what was asked but to act like he's now the end all be all for beating bad teams and calling out critics is a little rushed. Do I think he's the immediate future yes, but the beginning and middle of this season were still huge question marks about him as a Qb. I'm glad he's come on, but we can't all act like he was doing this all season because he wasn't, yes he was taking care of the ball but our 1st half offense was nonexistent for most of the season besides the Jacksonville game, and we had trouble Sustaining a drive much less multiple, so I'm excited for his growth, and glad it's showing, but still think we can be a little grounded in realizing that he just started flashing a hand full of games ago and before that he was definitely still a question mark.

Hi,

All good points you make, and I agree with you that DJ has flourished these past 5 games, no doubt.

I also agree with you that DJ is playing as a fringe top 10 QB also, another solid point you made.

However, my main issue with Cowherd was that he isn't even giving DJ a B- grade, not even a C+, he's giving him a C grade. Do you think that is reasonable? Especially after the performances that he has delivered as of late?

Just curious then what grade would you give DJ? Do you agree with Cowherd?

Also, I appreciate that we can have this discussion respectfully, it's so far been a pleasure.

Now onto your next points, I also agree with you that he was excellent in the Jacksonville game, no doubt.

I would say that we need to remember DJ was still learning this new offense under Daboll and Kafka, but could it be reasoned that as the year went on, as DJ was getting more comfortable with it, Daboll began to give him more and more reign, and to let him just spin it to see what he could do?

We combine that with the fact that DJ has said in the past, that he now knows what it takes to win in the NFL, and voila we are now seeing the fruits of that labor.

In other words, the DJ that we saw in the beginning of the year, is not the DJ that you are seeing now? What do you think?

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 19, 2023, 09:34:38 AMFor those that point to the Vikings' defensive ranking against the pass, I reviewed the box scores of all the Vikings' games.  Jones' performance on Sunday was a top 3 performance against the defense.  In fact, the only performance that was clearly better was Dak Prescott's.  There were some top QBs like Josh Allen and Aaron Rogers playing.

Good point, and to add to what you are saying DJ did this in his first playoff game, on the road in a hostile environment, and he was phenomenal.

In fact he played a nearly flawless game.

And for these analysts to double down on there position against him, is showing me because of their pride they cannot be wrong.

Once again let us see how this transpires

Quote from: GMenRF on January 19, 2023, 12:57:33 AMGoes to show you they don't really watch the games.  If they did this clown would clearly see we've really opened up the playbook like a month ago.  It's ok if they keep harping at DJ's stats and argue that we won't be a playoff team next year.  DJ is more than happy to serve these clowns some crow and humble pie.

Imagine Wan'Dale and possibly another stud WR in this offense.  I know it's a pipe dream, but imagine if Schoen trades for Higgins since the Bengals can't pay him, Burrow and Chase at the same time?  That quick shot in the back of the endzone, if that's Higgins catching the ball thats a TD.

Yes the reason why Cowherd has to discount DJs running ability is because if he includes it, it diminishes his nonsensical point.

For instance if we combine his rushing totals and TDs we get almost 4,000 Yards, 22 TDs 5 Int and a 92.5 RTG, and that is without him playing in the last game.

Yet to Cowherd these stats only show a C QB, and this is why I've begun to lose respect for him, and Nick Wright.

And I can see why you call them clowns because that seems to fit there mentality.

Sadly, not only is it Nick Wright, but also Colin Cowherd has just come out and said DJ is only a C QB at best.

Not even a C+ or B-, but only a C.

Obviously, he is entitled to his opinion, but DJ is the 7th ranked QB in QBR and 13th in RTG.

He also dismisses his 7 rushing TD's, and over 700 yards rushing.

In any event, I used to like Cowherd, but I'm starting to lose respect for his opinion.

Here is the link to the show down below, let's see what happens Saturday night

Cowherd


 

I take that back, Nick Wright has decided to double down on his position that DJ is still not a good QB.

He then proceeds to say he only threw 15 TDs on the year, and completely dismisses the 7 rushing TD's he brought to the table.

You can see the clip here, if you go to the 3:10 time stamp

Nick Wright clip

Here were DJ's numbers from last night.

24/35 301 Yards    2 TD 0 Int 81.2 QBR 114.1 Rating

78 Yards rushing

He did this in a playoff game, on the road in a hostile environment, and wasn't fazed one bit.

We need to remember, Eli was 27 years old in his 4th year, DJ is only 25 in his 4th year, he's two years younger.

Shannon Sharpe called DJ just a few weeks ago a "JAG", clearly, he was wrong.

Nick Wright said DJ wasn't good, clearly, he was wrong.

Dan Orlovsky said DJ wasn't a good QB, now he is saying he is a problem solver, clearly, he was wrong.

DJ is blossoming right before our eyes, and he is doing it in the NY Media market which has vilified him these past four years.

Congrats to DJ