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Quote from: T200 on Today at 09:05:04 AMD) Neither upset nor unhappy.

I trust what Schoen has done and understand what he inherited isn't going to be fixed easily. He knew he had a tough task and he's up for the challenge. I'm just along for the ride. Unless and until he turns into Gettleman, I'm in his corner.

Tim,


I tend to share these views.   I started this thread because we saw in Ed's poll there are quite a few fans unhappy with the direction of the team.  I think it was a reasonable assumption that most are unhappy due to the team not drafting a new QB.  I was curious as to why they were unhappy or pessimistic about the direction of the team.

Quote from: BluesCruz on Today at 09:02:15 AMJones is the "Mechanical Man". WYSG.  What you see is what you are going to get .... now minus the running with the bad neck and knee

Team fixes OL or gets a dominant WR or both. Incumbent QB's confidence and production (if the QB is truly talented) suddenly goes up and is more consistent. Seen this rodeo play out too many times to assume our QB stinks just yet.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 02, 2024, 09:30:04 PMLock has been in the NFL for four years (28 games), and Daniel Jones has been the Giants starting QB for the last five seasons.

When would there be a point in judging them?

Jeff,

I am pretty sure Lock and Jones were in the same draft class.  Jones was picked 6th overall and Lock was the 10th pick of round two.

D) Neither upset nor unhappy.

I trust what Schoen has done and understand what he inherited isn't going to be fixed easily. He knew he had a tough task and he's up for the challenge. I'm just along for the ride. Unless and until he turns into Gettleman, I'm in his corner.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 02, 2024, 09:30:04 PMLock has been in the NFL for four years (28 games), and Daniel Jones has been the Giants starting QB for the last five seasons.

When would there be a point in judging them?

Hi Dave!

When the Giants offense has something resembling an offensive line that isn't bottom 20% of the entire league in time to pressure and pressure consistency statistics and actually has something resembling a true top WR option.

That should be this year. That was Giants priority one this offseason. They brought in 5 veteran OL. Five. No rookie steep learning curve. They targeted and landed what seems to be an excellent OL coach. Someone who is a few tiers above the likes of Solari, Hunter, Columbo , Gugliemo ,Sale and the venerable Booby Johnson. Most those guys aren't even currently OL coaches or are not highly esteemed at all.

Spent a top 6 pick on a WR who probably ranks pretty close to some of the better blue chip WR to come out in the last 10 years and should be a day 1 high level starter.

Do they have this finally figured out. It seems so.

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on Today at 08:54:40 AMI like Tommy. I do. However Tommy doesn't have nearly the upside of Jones. Jones high level plays be it throws or runs are higher than any high level throws of anyone on the team. Everyone of us , though we have short memory, have seen numerous 'wow' plays from Daniel. That is fact. It is evident when watching the top plays of each QB on the team he ca make the rare and special throws. The question is is DJ's ability to process the field seem compromised because he is just not great in this area or is it more due to a historically bad offensive line combined with well below average WRs. 

This is what this year should bear out for us. I am truly hoping it's the latter. Because if so, we would have that guy who has had made some very high level plays in his career playing at that high level a lot more consistently with the better support system around him.

Jones is the "Mechanical Man". WYSG.  What you see is what you are going to get .... now minus the running with the bad neck and knee

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 07:38:34 AMIf they really believed in Jones, it would not matter who he was throwing to. Eli had some good receivers and a couple of almost elite and a lot of Jags. We're Nicks, Manningham and Cruz great receivers or did Eli make them look good? How would those three look on this team? The best receivers Eli had were Toomer, Odell and Plax. He found a way to get the ball to Smith, Tyree, and the rest.

I would have drafted Alt if not a QB. Evan Neal has to find a way to a starting role on this team. Either at RT competing with Alt or Guard. The best way to get better results from Jones is to protect him in the pocket. If you want to get his head clear, protect him. He didn't need a shiney hood ornament. Just ask this guy...

I think the Giants would have taken Alt if they had the 5 pick

Manningham was average at best and struggled to learn the playbook needing a redshirt year to even make the field. Slayton and Manningham are very similar. when he was the number 1 he came up short. His best year he was the #2 receiver receiving the benefit of Nicks taking the #1. All that being said he made one of the greatest catches with zero room for error at the most critical juncture of the game and that puts him in a very special class.

Nicks was a stud. Injuries took their toll but he was a stud. He was a #1 receiver.

Eli made Cruz and the two complemented each other nicely for three very nice seasons

Toomer was an important vet for a rookie Qb to have but was past his peak production by the time Eli came along

Shockey was a nutjob head case whose benefit to the team was negated by his negative impact on his QB and the game plan. The Giants were not a team until he was hurt.

Plax changed everything for Eli IMO

Quote from: GloryDays on May 02, 2024, 02:02:11 PMTommy seems to be quite under-rated because of his pre-nfl portfolio. I watched a couple of his games and I really think the kid has some special ability. He has a pretty good arm. He is accurate and throws some catchable balls. His pocket presence is excellent. He can buy time and hit the target running. If no one is open he tries to run or secures the ball for minimal loss. In the Washington game, behind that atrocious line, he was sacked 9 times, but was still able to throw some nice completions and win the game.

On the Jets game, I think, they tied his hands and he still almost won that game! He could have been 4-1, in 5 games with a lousy O line and average targets.

BRAVO BRAVO {Applause from me} and my candidate for post of the decade

VERY BRAVE and astute of you with this crowd.  Most would not know a good QB if he landed on them.  Jones has issues long and on the border that are unsolvable
not to mention zero pocket presence

PS- Now that Phil Simms has lost his job- a shame because he really knows his stuff.  Phil should be invited to camp to school the 3 QBs a bit

I like Tommy. I do. However Tommy doesn't have nearly the upside of Jones. Jones high level plays be it throws or runs are higher than any high level throws of anyone on the team. Everyone of us , though we have short memory, have seen numerous 'wow' plays from Daniel. That is fact. It is evident when watching the top plays of each QB on the team he ca make the rare and special throws. The question is is DJ's ability to process the field seem compromised because he is just not great in this area or is it more due to a historically bad offensive line combined with well below average WRs. 

This is what this year should bear out for us. I am truly hoping it's the latter. Because if so, we would have that guy who has had made some very high level plays in his career playing at that high level a lot more consistently with the better support system around him.

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 07:52:45 AMIf Tommy was in this years draft, he would have been sitting at a bar in downtown Detroit with Sam Hartman watching the draft.

Everyone likes Tommy and I hope he does well, but the Giants aren't going to carry three QB's and he's not making the final roster unless Jones or Lock get injured or traded. He's going to hit the waver wire and if he clears, he will wind up on the practice squad.

no way invades he clears now...that train has left the station

hopefully They ditch Lock in camp or Danny Dimes is not ready to go until Christmas

It must be painful to realize DeVito is the only NFL QB on the roster

Dimes is only on the roster because of Mara's man love