Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 25, 2022, 01:43:35 PMI think it is fair to say that there is no precise, widely-agreed upon definition of "franchise QB." Everyone has their own take on the phrase, which is fine. It's not a phrase with a precise definition.
To me, and this is just my personal opinion, I think it's hard to firmly declare any QB a "franchise QB" if he's not clearly top 10. If you start extending it beyond the top 10, you're getting to a point where you're close to saying that half or nearly half of the league's starters are "franchise QBs." I don't personally feel that way myself. I think the "franchise QB" label has a more exclusive scope than that. I think 10 is probably the most. Again, this is my personal opinion of the definition of the phrase, and I'm not saying those who disagree are wrong.
I do not see Jones as a top 10 QB this year, and I don't think many objective people do. I have felt and said for a while now that he is a middle of the road starter, which is hardly an insult or even being a "detractor." If someone says you're the 14th-17th best QB in the world, that's not exactly an insult in my book. But to me that's not a "franchise QB."
Yeah, these terms are horribly imprecise. To me a franchise QB is a guy whose team doesn't think of replacing him. Eli was rarely in the top ten of QBs but the Giants never thought seriously of replacing him until the end. And, IMO he was elite for 2 playoff runs and the 2011 season. But he was clearly a franchise QB, IMO.
The conundrum with DJ is that he is ranked 17 playing on an offense that is far below 17th. And some blame him for not elevating the other players. An elite QB can elevate a good offense to very good, and an average offense to a good offense, but I don't think the QB has been born who can elevate a bad offense to a very good offense. I think DJ has elevated a bad offense to a slightly below offense. And the question is, what could he elevate an average or good offense to. And how would playing on such offenses change his ranking, because rankings are dynamic, not static. He wouldn't be Mahomes in the KC offense, but I doubt he'd rank 17th.