Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 09:31:13 AMTim,


Is there anything easier to ignore than a mean Tweet about you on Twitter?

In my view, it's not an issue of the stars making a clean break... it's a misleading title.

I would have said something like, "Jilted Fans Still Mad At Saquon"

Is a great WR behind an average QB better, or is a great QB with average receivers better? That is the question

I was reading through Great Blue North this morning and saw this blip and figured I'd share https://gbnreport.com/giants-report-thoughts-on-the-draft/

Maybe there's more hope than some believe 

"...in fact, there have been rumblings that head coach Brian Daboll had been lobbying for the Giants to take a WR with their first round pick, possibly even if one of the top QB was still on the board at that point. Just maybe Daboll recalls that Josh Allen, whom he has been credited with 'developing' in Buffalo really didn't emerge as a top player in the NFL until the Bills went out and acquired a true #1 receiver in Stefon Diggs. Whatever, Giants fans probably shouldn't underestimate how impactful a really good receiver can have on a team.

Indeed, in addition to the Bills' Allen, Joe Burrow didn't really take off in Cincinnati until the Bengals' selected Ja'Marr Chase, his former teammate at LSU with the 6th in 2021, while there questions being asked in Miami whether Tua Tagovcailoa was indeed a legitimate franchise QB before the Dolphins brought in Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle. And we could go and name QBs from Jaylen Hurts to Geno Smith whose careers improved dramatically once given elite receivers with which to work.

And one can also look at the Giants own history. Back in 2008, for example, they appeared to be on cruise control to a possible second straight Super Bowl appearance before Plaxico Burress shot himself – and his career – in the leg and the 11-1 Giants finished the season 1-4 and crashed out of the playoffs in the first round. They were crowned champions again in 2011 with Eli throwing to a couple of Pro Bowl receivers in Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz, only to have the bottom fall out the following season, which coincided with Nicks being injured and never playing at that level again. And while there has been a tendency to dismiss the impact of Odell Beckham, the reality is that Eli had the best three-year run of his career from 2014-2016 during which the Giants had a top 10 offense in both 2014 and 2015 and made the playoffs in 2016. It's also hard not to notice that the bottom really fell out for the Giants in 2017 around the time that Odell was injured. Indeed, the fact is that over the course of his career, Eli was a very good QB when he had special receivers, but was closer to ordinary when he didn't..."

Quote from: babywhales on Today at 09:37:53 AMConspiracy theories are a sign of the times.

I do not think Mara directs the board.  Sign off on a 1st round pick or big ticket FA is not the same as steering the ship toward one

Yes but the results bear out this conspiracy and fit the key to the lock perfectly. (no pun intended on Lock LOL)

I'm happier than a squirrel living in a nut tree alongside a bird feeder, with the way things turned out. IMO, there was only one QB in the draft that would become a future star: Caleb Williams...and it could turn out to take a year or two before he shines, and the Bears are in great position for him to do so with DJ Moore and Rome Odunze at starting WRs. The Bears are loaded with offensive targets, that should make Williams looked very good out of the gate

I figured all along that we'd take a WR, and was hoping it would come down to Harrison or Nabers, and at that point, I didn't care which way they went because I figure Schoen and crew would be far more qualified than me to make the choice. Bottom line: Happy as a kitten with a ball of string and a catnip stuffed play mouse

Next year, maybe we'll be in a position to draft Carson Beck...who knows? 

Believe me Sequin did us a HUGE favor by leaving

Im now a huge Sequin fan from afar "One negative yard at a time then a burst in the 3rd Qtr"

He will kill Philly.  Not that we would not now dominate them regardless.  Their run has ended.  Tommy broke the spell

Conspiracy theories are a sign of the times.

I do not think Mara directs the board.  Sign off on a 1st round pick or big ticket FA is not the same as steering the ship toward one

Quote from: TONKA56 on Today at 09:26:19 AMMuch of the early criticism of Dave Gettleman was that he basically was a front man hired to do the bidding of the Maras.

For example:

"We aren't replacing Eli Manning. Build a team around him. Draft Saquon Barkley."

"We aren't replacing Daniel Jones. Build a team around him."

"We aren't trading Saquon Barkley. Pay the man."

Many suggested that if such ultimatums were issued at the time of Gettleman's hiring, he should have simply refused the job.

I see a lot folks STILL insist that directives come from John or Chris Mara concerning Daniel Jones' future.

If Gettleman really should have refused the position based on Mara meddling, should the same criticism not apply to Joe Schoen? Do we really believe that Jones is still here because he is the pet of team ownership? Is Joe Schoen really bending to the will of John & Chris Mara? Is Mara Meddling really as big a thing as it's made out to be?

Schoen is just a more astute, good looking, educated Puppet but a puppet nonetheless.  You nailed that puzzle

Quote from: TONKA56 on Today at 08:07:19 AMThe world will never know. Good old BluesCruz...the Andy Kaufman of BBH. 

Thanks I admired Andy.  A brave comedian to the end....appreciate the allusion

I speak my mind and in my mind the truth.  This entire post 2011 era has been a continual mind blowing sea of Giants ineptitude

Someone has to call them out.  A free medium coke once a decade just does not satisfy my thirst for another Lombardy

I'm sure, I could run this franchise far better than Mara and his Clown Toot Toot Train

Too much fraternity and aspiring for mediocrity as a goal

Mara needs to lose his man love for bad players and and bad play and bring in the GOAT- Belicheck and give him total control

Lock is behind Jones in 'experience' despite being part of the same draft class because of nearly 3 years backing up (including one with no snaps). Questions over Lock's preparation, focus and processing saw him fall to R2 in 2019. They continued in Denver. I suspect his ceiling is a slightly less bonkers Jameis Winston boom/bust type. Can Daboll, Kafka, Tierney improve him? It might be fun finding out.

Quote from: T200 on Today at 09:21:16 AMSaquon was minding his business at a basketball game and they showed him on the screen and TV. Fans go after him on X, but the title of the thread is "Why do former NYG stars struggle to make clean breaks?"   

Tim,


Is there anything easier to ignore than a mean Tweet about you on Twitter?