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Quote from: BluesCruz on May 26, 2024, 05:19:30 AMBy that I meant the NE starter and bring them back to relevance
He has the intangibles that made Brady good and its between the ears, confidence etc
His arm is also grossly underrated

We have never had much luck with QBs    Some have been good, none dominant in a Brady, Montana type sense

We will find a way to fumble Tommy D away- just watch

Once again I'm sure you're a nice person in real life, but let's think about this.

The reason why Tom Brady was able to start at QB was because Drew Bledsoe got injured. If Bledsoe never got injured, Brady never would have played.

If BB had started a 6th rd pick in Brady over Bledsoe in 2001 he would have been fired.

The same applies to Devito.

If Daboll and Schoen bench DJ for Devito, an undrafted player, and have him start the season and he fails it would be a fireable offense, and there is no way Daboll and Schoen would do that.

Quote from: Trench on Today at 12:01:40 PMThe problem is we have seen from OTA footage is this guy doesn't even practice looking off the DBs and safeties. The more I see of him during drills the more it becomes evident. I pray I'm wrong

I've wondered that same thing myself.

Do the coaches not see that? Or do they not understand you have to look off the safety?

Or do they see that, but because it's just an OTA they don't care?

It would be nice if a beat reporter would ask that question so that we could get the right answer?

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 26, 2024, 07:25:46 PMDon't be surprised if they keep three on the roster initially. A long shot but it's possible until DJ proves he can not have a setback.

Ed,

That's exactly what I was thinking as well, why couldn't they just keep all three on the roster?

I guess time will tell

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 26, 2024, 12:26:59 PMHe would be my candidate too. There is no player on the team who had a bigger 2022 to 2023 performance dip than Jones, so he is the most obvious candidate for a bounce-back as he has the most room to bounce back.

The more interesting question for me is whether he can be better in 2024 than he was in 2022. Being materially better than 2023 practically goes without saying. There is no way Jones is nearly as bad as he was in 2023.

Adding an elite WR in Malik (won't you be my NABOR), may just do that.

I'm hoping Malik has the same impact on DJ's stats as OBJ had on Eli Manning's numbers from 2014-2016.

However, only time will tell.

Quote from: BluesCruz on May 23, 2024, 04:21:16 PMHe did very well at Syracuse and Illinois.....big time programs
By contrast Jones was a big time loser at small time Duke

Where are we here, in a hall of mirrors?  DeVito is better than the robotic Jones by a country mile

The delta is that Jones is now Mara's very expensive adopted sun

It seems the Giants will let DeVito float and lost to waivers....he will wind up in NE as the next Tom Brady  My prediction

Jones has been touched by the hand of Mara.

Hi,

Im sure you're a nice person and I mean you no harm by this, but you just predicted that Devito will be the next Tom Brady.

One of, if not the greatest QB of all time, are you sure you want to stand by this prediction?

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 23, 2024, 11:29:44 AMhttps://x.com/charlottecrrll/status/1793654506317918442

Mighty,

I believe we are going to be seeing a lot of Jones to Nabers this season.

Thanks for sharing the videos

Quote from: Gmo11 on May 23, 2024, 06:17:32 AMI'm with King. He's throwing with accuracy and velocity. Cool. Better than the alternative but doesn't move the needle much for me. Let's see him do those things in a real game against a real defense before we start thinking year 6 is the year he finally figures it all out.

Hi GMO,

Good to hear from you.

However, you said you hope he finally figures it out in year six, however DJ already posted a 93.2 RTG which ranked him 13th, and a 60.6 QBR which ranked him 6th in 2022.

3900 total yards from rushing and passing, as well as a 22 TD to 5 Int ratio.

This all happened in his fourth year, while sitting for game 17 because they had already locked up a playoff birth.

Wouldn't you say he's already done those things against a live defense?

I'm now off to work.

PFF had DJ ranked 12th in the league just prior to the 2023 season, which can be seen down below.

LINK

Now after the 2023 season they have him ranked 29th, seems a bit radical doesn't it?

NFL.com had DJ ranked 18th before the 2023 season, which can be seen down below.

LINK

Now they have him ranked 46th, which can be seen down below, seems a bit extreme doesn't it?

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-ranking-all-66-starting-quarterbacks-from-the-2023-nfl-season

Giants O line ranking in 2013 before OBJ was 28th

Eli Mannings numbers that year without an elite #1 WR were

57% 3818 Yards 18 TD 27 Int 69.4 RTG

Giants O line ranking in 2014 after OBJ was 20th

Eli Mannings numbers that year with an elite #1 WR were

63% 4400 Yards 30 TD 14 Int 92.1 RTG

So, they improved the O line and brought in an elite WR, and that had a major impact on Mannings numbers.

I would say Schoen has improved this year's O line a bit, and if Nabers is the real deal, then an elite WR was brought in.

Let's hope Nabers can have the same impact on DJ's career as OBJ had on Eli Mannings.

But only time will tell.

We will have to see how this plays out.

As long as DJ and Nabers both stay healthy, and with how explosive he is, I think we are looking at a 1,000-1,500-yard season for him.

He is too special of a talent, and DJ will target him a lot, which will improve his stats as well.

But this is just my opinion.

Time will tell

Quote from: Gman329 on May 20, 2024, 09:20:28 AMI generally agree with this but Jones would not have signed for $30M.  So would the Giants have maybe used the tag there, instead of on Barkely? 

Tag was definitely the way to go. Too bad Barkley rejected the deal they offered him in the middle of the season. I think if they were able to re-sign Barkley, then they would have used the franchise tag on Jones, but sadly it didn't go that way.

Quote from: T200 on May 17, 2024, 08:47:54 AMI feel like they've made the wrong decisions on Jones every time they had to make one. It's like the "which hand is it in?" game.

- Exercise his 5th year option? Nope, wrong answer.
- New $160 million contract with $92 guaranteed? Nope, wrong answer.
- He'll show he's worth the deal and can be a next-level QB? Nope, wrong answer.

We keep getting snake bit by the Ghosts of Gettleman.

I appreciate very much what you have presented here, however, here is how I am seeing it.

I agree with you that not exercising his 5th year option was the wrong move.

However, giving him a new contract after the way he played in 2022 was definitely the right move.

The issue that I have was not the contract itself, but to me it was the size of the contract. If they were to have re-signed him in the range of around 30 million a year, then I think that is fair, but 40 million was too much.

As for your last statement, I would say it is yet to be determined, but this year we will all get our answer.

Quote from: Trench on May 15, 2024, 04:09:47 PMWell it is in poor taste to make a completely false statement on a message board where we are continually dissecting words and thoughts and then when called out, the answer is it was simply hyperbole. Had it been stated as such in the beginning (or simply admit a mistake was made) we could have avoided a lot of negative back and forth

May I ask who made the false statement?

Here is the quote

"I think the term "we are not a qb away from being good" is a complete cop out and utter bull sht. So you don't think the Giants make the playoffs this past season with CJ Stroud at Qb? The defense wasn't the problem, they kept us in games, Slayton was running wide open with Hyatt half the season. We also saw our oline play exceptionally better under Tyrod than with Jones/Devito, some of that to do with health and the rest because tyrod is an actual NFL quarterback."

Are you ready to apologize?

or double down?

choose

I'll wait

Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 10:25:22 AMYou're claiming the absence of a statement must mean it's true!? If I proclaim Evan Neal is a terrible RT, does that automatically equate to him being the sole reason for the Giants failures?

Also, where does it say in those statements that DJ won't become an AP by the time he's 35?  I mean, if the absence of a statement is evidence of intent, we can make anything up...

Is it really the absence of a statement? or maybe all I had to do was research the point, which I would encourage you to do.

Here is your quote

"I think the term "we are not a QB away from being good" is a complete cop out and utter bull sht. So, you don't think the Giants make the playoffs this past season with CJ Stroud at Qb? The defense wasn't the problem, they kept us in games, Slayton was running wide open with Hyatt half the season. We also saw our oline play exceptionally better under Tyrod than with Jones/Devito, some of that to do with health and the rest because tyrod is an actual NFL quarterback."

Let me know when you're ready to apologize?

or do you want to double down on your position?

Quote from: Trench on May 15, 2024, 10:22:17 AMThank you. Case closed.

Is the case really closed? or maybe you haven't actually researched the point?

Here is your quote:

"I think the term "we are not a QB away from being good" is a complete cop out and utter bull sht. So, you don't think the Giants make the playoffs this past season with CJ Stroud at Qb? The defense wasn't the problem, they kept us in games, Slayton was running wide open with Hyatt half the season. We also saw our oline play exceptionally better under Tyrod than with Jones/Devito, some of that to do with health and the rest because tyrod is an actual NFL quarterback."

Let me know when you're ready to apologize?

Or do you want to keep up your position?