Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 07:52:52 AMBobby may be the best FA signing of Schoen's Giants career, to date.

I agree, but let's hope that he can repeat his great performance in 2024, and not regress.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 31, 2024, 08:20:54 AMYour may be in a select minority of 30 fans that think that the Jones deal was a good one for this franchise. Even fans that are really big advocates of Jones realize the deal was bad.

3200 passing yards and 15tds is not good production as we've stated multiple times and yet you still push it as a great season and not the mirage that it was.

2022 was all about Barkley, it's amazing once we Barkley hit the wall in Houston our offense completely fell off and we limped to the finish.

You misread and misapplied what I had stated. What I was inferring was that Daboll and Schoen made the right decision in drafting Nabers and coupling him up with Jones, instead of drafting the 4th or 5th best QB left on the board.

I also respectfully disagree with you that the offense completely stalled in 2022 after the Houston game.

DJ threw for 334 yards against Minnesota in week 16, and again for another 301 yards in the playoff game combined with another 78 yards rushing.

I'm now off to work, enjoy

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 30, 2024, 09:38:22 PMHe was saying teams normally don't double down or hold onto bad mistakes. If a qb doesn't work within a couple seasons they are gone and yet despite that we still have Daniel Jones.

49ers, CHI twice, Pittsburgh, the Jets twice, and so many more that have drafted a nonelite qb and then released them to start fresh. The Giants however being outdated are still clinging onto the same not so great player.

Doing the same thing over and over just to get the same result.

Also Jones Contract has universally been acknowledged as a bad deal along with the Giants attempts to select a new "guy".

I think Y was just saying please let's try something different besides what we've been doing over and over that has failed.

But Daniel Jones did work in his first season in 2019

24 TDs to 12 Int's in 13 games

He also worked again in 2022

3900 total yards 22 TD's 5 Int 93.2 RTG 60.6 QBR ranked top six

So, it hasn't been the same thing over and over again with the same results.

Plus making playoffs and a playoff win.

Daboll and Schoen made the right decision.

They drafted an elite WR and improved the O line a bit.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 30, 2024, 09:25:13 PMRich and myself were discussing Lock not Jones or Devito.

I'll still answer the question:

Jones in year 6 should be ahead of an undrafted qb and a backup. It shouldn't be a great thing to see, it should be a given.

He can't get any worse throwing deep than he has been the past 2 years, and now he won't be as mobile. So we should all be hopeful it improves.

Fair enough,

however,

DJ is coming off a devastating acl injury and cannot fully participate yet, and he's still outshining the others.

While Lock and Devito are fully healthy.

Secondly,

DJ hasn't been in the same system for six years.

He is entering his 3rd year in Daboll's system.

This will be Devito's second.

And Lock his first, however Lock has been in the league for five years, entering his sixth, same as DJ.

I have nothing further to say, off to rest.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 30, 2024, 09:20:31 PMEli was Eli, regardless of eras. The Giants Offense was never explosive but Eli had better talent around him.

Ed,

I agree with you, and I'd also add that Eli played behind a top five offensive line his first five years in the league.

While he was still growing and learning.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 30, 2024, 04:23:35 PMIt's may, in shorts, in a new system etc so I'm not too concerned with anyone's progress rn. If it's the same come August that's another story.

Hi,

Devito's been in the same system for over a year now, and according to reports DJ is way ahead of the other QB's.

This is a great thing to see, wouldn't you agree?

And if DJ begins to start throwing the ball deep several times a game, especially to Nabers, then this will be a much-improved offense

Quote from: y_so_blu on May 30, 2024, 03:43:20 PMIn 1984 Bill Parcells said "if I'm gonna lose, [at least] I'm not gonna lose with those same guys." He was explaining why he'd added 20 new players to the roster and given the starting QB job to Phil Simms over Scott Brunner, who was traded away in the spring.

In his second year Parcells had already identified the guys who were most conspicuous in losing us games and moved on from them. He'd spent 1983 trying to be a conventional coach--an organization guy, the Maras' guy--and when it didn't work, he adjusted quickly.

It's time for Brian Daboll to make a similar adjustment: stop clinging to the starter John Mara likes and make a change. That way, if we lose again in '24, at least it won't be with the same quarterback who is already shell-shocked from all the sacks he's taken.

Am I making sense here? We seem to be trapped in an endless cycle of arguing over who is to blame for Daniel Jones' struggles. But eventually we reach a point where it doesn't matter whose fault it is that Jones is failing; what matters is that he is failing, that the failures make him an albatross around the team's collective neck, and the coach needs to change things up.

So while I don't expect Daboll to trade Jones or even give someone else the starting job, it will be an incredible relief if he does. And it will inspire within me a little more confidence in his leadership.

So, let me get this straight, you are advocating for Daboll and Schoen to trade Daniel Jones, their starting QB right now. Okay, so quick question for you, who are they going to trade him too? And what player are they going to get in return?

Secondly, you claim Daniel Jones is a failure. May I ask a question then? In 2022 when the Giants made the playoffs and won a game, with Daniel Jones as the starting QB, were you advocating back then that he was an albatross and a failure?

Just curious?

Quote from: Trench on May 27, 2024, 10:47:15 PMAgreed 100%. There are so many smart fans on this site - much smarter than me. I would love to hear from them on this issue. I respectfully ask you, should Jones at least work on this in practice and during drills?

Absolutely, work on it is an understatement, it should have been part of his repertoire going back to his rookie year.

I would love a beat reporter to ask Daboll or DJ himself why he doesn't do this during real games?

Malik Nabers

Because so much is riding on his shoulders

Quote from: Trench on May 27, 2024, 03:54:01 PMI watch so many other QBs in drills and practice who look one way and throw the other way. Rodgers literally discussed the importance in hard knocks and he practiced throwing without ever looking at his WR.

I just don't get it.

I get you, and you would think Daboll or a beat reporter would have asked DJ why he rarely does it?

It would more than likely improve his game, and take it to another level.

Quote from: BluesCruz on May 26, 2024, 05:19:30 AMBy that I meant the NE starter and bring them back to relevance
He has the intangibles that made Brady good and its between the ears, confidence etc
His arm is also grossly underrated

We have never had much luck with QBs    Some have been good, none dominant in a Brady, Montana type sense

We will find a way to fumble Tommy D away- just watch

Once again I'm sure you're a nice person in real life, but let's think about this.

The reason why Tom Brady was able to start at QB was because Drew Bledsoe got injured. If Bledsoe never got injured, Brady never would have played.

If BB had started a 6th rd pick in Brady over Bledsoe in 2001 he would have been fired.

The same applies to Devito.

If Daboll and Schoen bench DJ for Devito, an undrafted player, and have him start the season and he fails it would be a fireable offense, and there is no way Daboll and Schoen would do that.

Quote from: Trench on May 27, 2024, 12:01:40 PMThe problem is we have seen from OTA footage is this guy doesn't even practice looking off the DBs and safeties. The more I see of him during drills the more it becomes evident. I pray I'm wrong

I've wondered that same thing myself.

Do the coaches not see that? Or do they not understand you have to look off the safety?

Or do they see that, but because it's just an OTA they don't care?

It would be nice if a beat reporter would ask that question so that we could get the right answer?

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 26, 2024, 07:25:46 PMDon't be surprised if they keep three on the roster initially. A long shot but it's possible until DJ proves he can not have a setback.

Ed,

That's exactly what I was thinking as well, why couldn't they just keep all three on the roster?

I guess time will tell

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 26, 2024, 12:26:59 PMHe would be my candidate too. There is no player on the team who had a bigger 2022 to 2023 performance dip than Jones, so he is the most obvious candidate for a bounce-back as he has the most room to bounce back.

The more interesting question for me is whether he can be better in 2024 than he was in 2022. Being materially better than 2023 practically goes without saying. There is no way Jones is nearly as bad as he was in 2023.

Adding an elite WR in Malik (won't you be my NABOR), may just do that.

I'm hoping Malik has the same impact on DJ's stats as OBJ had on Eli Manning's numbers from 2014-2016.

However, only time will tell.

Quote from: BluesCruz on May 23, 2024, 04:21:16 PMHe did very well at Syracuse and Illinois.....big time programs
By contrast Jones was a big time loser at small time Duke

Where are we here, in a hall of mirrors?  DeVito is better than the robotic Jones by a country mile

The delta is that Jones is now Mara's very expensive adopted sun

It seems the Giants will let DeVito float and lost to waivers....he will wind up in NE as the next Tom Brady  My prediction

Jones has been touched by the hand of Mara.

Hi,

Im sure you're a nice person and I mean you no harm by this, but you just predicted that Devito will be the next Tom Brady.

One of, if not the greatest QB of all time, are you sure you want to stand by this prediction?